John Holder

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<p>JOHN HOLDER, widower, died Tuesday, March 2, 1784, age 92 years less 19 days. He was born in London and Bapt. in the "High Church." His father separated from the family very early and he came to America with his mother, to New York in 1707. For a while he was a sailor on a man-of-war and for a while on a merchant ship. THen he returned to his mother who lived in Upland New York. In March 1722 he married Barbara Volck and they lived together 55 years. They had 6 sons and 6 daughters, five of who died, and the 7 others lived mostly in Pennsylvania and North Carolina. He lived to see 49grandchildren and 23 great grandchildren. He belonged to no king of religious organization at all until 1745 he came in contact with the Brothers of the Moravian Church in Lynn [PA] and became a member in 1748. He was a member of the little flock in Lynn until 1769 when he moved with his son-in-law, the late John Everett, to Gnadenhutten. His wife died Dec 21, 1777. Both are buried in the burial ground at Gnadenhutten.</p><p>----------------------------------------</p><p>&nbsp</p><p>Obituary of John HOLDER</p><p>Thanks to Wendy Hiefield, Bill D. Holder, and Bob Moore for the </p><p>following document. We have all tried our hands at transcribing the handwritten </p><p>original, and although we differ in a few minor points, we agree on most of it. </p><p> </p><p>Tuesday March 2d 1784 in the Morning between 5 and 6 on a Clock took our Saviour </p><p>home for Himself our Aged Brother John Holder, widower. His age was 92 years </p><p>less 19 days. And his remains was Interred Thursday the 4th of March upon the </p><p>Congregation Burring Ground under Br Francis Bèohlers Liturgy. To insert a in </p><p>Short a little of his Memories which has Dicdated some years ago to his Youngest </p><p>Daughter. He was Born at London up on Towerhill in Mary Bow Parish and Baptiz'd </p><p>in the High Church, by the Account he left his Father very early and Stad </p><p>[stayed? ] with hismother till he came with her in the year 1707 over to N York </p><p>into America, from here he follow'd afterwards at different Times the Sea as a </p><p>Sailor 10 Years partly in a Man of War and partly in a Merchant Man and after </p><p>that lived again with his Mother in the High Lands on Hudson River, till he </p><p>[married - word obviously omitted] in March 1722 with Barbara Volck in which </p><p>they have lived together 56 Years. And in which State our Saviour Blessed them </p><p>with 12 Children 6 Sons and 6 Daughters of which 5 are gone to our Savr before </p><p>him, and 7 are yet alive and mostly all here [looks like "and" crossed out] in </p><p>Pennsylvania and North Carolina incorporated into the Brethrens Congregation and </p><p>of his yet living Sons and Daughters and has lived to see 49 Grant Children and </p><p>12 Great Grant Children of both these different offsprings are gone a good many </p><p>before him.</p><p>He joind himself to no short [sort?] of Religious Denomination till in the year </p><p>1743 and 46 as the Brethren came to Lynn Town he was stirred up thro' the Grace </p><p>of our Lord in his Heart thro' their Preaching the Pure and Simple Gospel of <p>Jesus Suffring which laid an abiding hold on his Heart, which had such an Effect </p><p>that he in the Year 1748 in Feb was received into the Congregation and the Same </p><p>Year in May admitted to the Holy Supper of the Lord at Bethlm and he was a </p><p>Member of the little Flock of Lynn Town till the Year 1769 he moved with his Son </p><p>in Law Family our late B' John [must be John Everett, Maria's husband] here to </p><p>Gnadenhèutten and was one with of the list? first? of the Members of the ____ </p><p>Congregation here. Since in the Year 1777 on the 21st of December that his dear </p><p>wife went home he enjoy [strange choice of word, but I can't see what else it </p><p>would be; I expect the sense is different from what we would say] the state of </p><p>Widower, which ___ to have his old and long Companion taken from him went very </p><p>near and it seemd he hath lost something his Still Compos'd and Steady [??] Path </p><p>which was sometimes ___ with fretting of his longstaying behind which made it </p><p>to them which were alway with him very heavy [?]. But one could by reminding </p><p>him of the fromer [former?] time of Grace very easy bring ___ and he wishd </p><p>always that he soon may have the good look [luck?] to go home to him this his </p><p>Ardent longing after he had Sicken'd this 6 Month and ___ most ___ and his heart </p><p>was in very happily situation [?] to the Comfort and Joy of all who knew him was </p><p>granted him by our Savior on the Day and Date above mentioned in a high Age and </p><p>what more sound Reason [?] and sense he lost Breath. He is now in Peace.</p><p>--------------------------------</p><p>John's obituary says they came to America in 1707, but other sources suggest 1710 as the more likely date.</p><p>------------------------------</p><p>1734 Land record in Lynn township, Lehigh Co., PA</p><p>1748 Jointed Moravian Church at Bethlehem, PA.</p><p>Some question about John HOLDER's nationality, in view of his mother'sGerman surname and the fact that many Germans had sought refuge in England. CARTER states that John HOLDER's sons were all bilingual. Although born in London, John seems to have spent all his adultlife as part of German-speaking communities.</p><p>John was a sailor for a time on a British warship and later on a merchant ship.</p><p>Chosen as an assessor of Northampton Co., PA on 3-Oct-1752.</p><p>In 1763 taxed on 5 acres cleared in what was then Penn township, Northampton Co., now Mahoning township, Carbron Co., PA.</p><p>Lived in Lynn township until 1769 whee he was assess for 20 acreas cleared land and 180 acres of woods when he moved with his son-in-law, John Everitt and his family to then Penn township near Gnaddenhutten and what is now Mahoning township, Carbon Co.</p><p>-------------------------------</p><p>Came to America with his mother ca. 1710, father having left the family earlier, reason unknown. Father was a sailor. John and mother settled in New York, possibly with Moravian settlers there, later moving to PA. This first Holder in our line lived to be quite old (almost 92 years).</p><p>It is a puzzle whether John's father was German, Dutch, or English. "Rem" might be a Dutch name. Or it may have been "Reu" for Reuben. "Graeff" is either German or Dutch. If John is</p><p>from German or Dutch parentage, why was he reportedly christened in the Anglican Church? John later became a sailor for awhile, like his father.</p><p>There are many HOLDERS in the Barbadoes Islands, and there is a history of English Holders in America as early as the 1600's.</p><p>SOURCES: HISTORY OF LEHIGH CO., PA, by Charles Roberts, 1914, v.3,p.1339.</p><p>Warren Ziegler, East Side St., PO Box 503, Milford, NJ 08848</p><p>Mary Lou Mariner, 20 Old Coach Rd., Sudbury, MA 01776</p><p>Pat Patton, 315 E. Crawford, Paris, IL 61944.</p><p>Walter Knittle, EARLY PALATINE IMMIGRATION:</p><p>JACOB GRAEFF was listed by Board of Trade as a Palatine in London 3 May 1709. Hans Jacob Mark Graef,frau and 4 children, and Philip Jacob Greff and frau/2 children are also mentioned as 1709 immigrants. Could these have been brothers of Sybilla Graeff Holder?</p><p>SOURCES: HISTORY OF LEHIGH CO., PA, by Charles Roberts, 1914, v.3, p. 1339.</p><p>Warren Ziegler, East Side St., PO Box 503, Milford, NJ 08848.</p><p>Mary Lou Mariner, 20 Old Coach Rd., Sudbury MA 01776.</p><p>Pat Patton, 315 E. Crawford , Paris, IL 61944.</p><p>SOURCE: RAYMOND E. HOLLENBACH, MORAVIAN CHURCH RECORDS, ALLEMANGEL/GNADENHUTTEN CONGREGATIONS, 1973.</p><p>p. 8: JOHN HOLTER, born in London in old England, Mar. 21, 1694and baptized soon thereafter. His father was Reu (Reuben?) Holder and his mother was Sibilla Graeff, both members of the High Church (Episcopal). Came to America in 1710. Married Barbara Volck in themonth of May 1722.</p><p>In 1746 and 1747 he heard Brother George Schneider, but at first was very much adverse to his teachings. However after attending a meeting and learning what was really giong on, he changed his attitude, and in February 1748 he was admitted as a member of the congregation at Bethlehem.</p><p>p. 47: "Burials in the Burying Ground at Gnadenhutten on the Mahony in Penn Township":</p><p>JOHN HOLDER, widower, died Tuesday, March 2, 1784, age 92 years less 19 days. He was born in London and bapt. in the "High Church." His father separated from the family very early and he came to America with his mother, to New York in 1707. For a while he was a sailor on a man-of-war and for a while on a merchant ship. Then he returned to his mother who lived Upland in New</p>York. In March 1722 he married Barbara Volck and they lived together 55 years. They had 6 sons and 6 daughters, five of whom died, and the 7 others lived mostly in Pennsylvania and North Carolina. He lived to see 49 grand children and 12 great grand children. He belonged to no kind of religious organization at all until 1745 he came in contact with the Brothers of the Moravian church in Lynn and became a member in 1748. He was a member of the little flock in Lynn until 1769 when he moved with his son-in-law, the late John Everett, to Gnadenhutten. His wife died Dec. 21, 1777. Both are buried in the burial ground at Gnadenhutten.

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<p>John apparently baptized in Church of England, but converted Feb 1748 to the Moravian faith at Bethlehem, Pennsylvania.</p><p>Arrived New York 1707 with his mother. See land record Lynn Twp., Lehigh Co., Pennsylvania, 1834, formerly Philadelphia Co.</p>[Source, Wendy Holder Hiefield]

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<p>JOHN HOLDER, widower, died Tuesday, March 2, 1784, age 92 years less 19 days. He was born in London and Bapt. in the "High Church." His father separated from the family very early and he came to America with his mother, to New York in 1707. For a while he was a sailor on a man-of-war and for a while on a merchant ship. THen he returned to his mother who lived in Upland New York. In March 1722 he married Barbara Volck and they lived together 55 years. They had 6 sons and 6 daughters, five of who died, and the 7 others lived mostly in Pennsylvania and North Carolina. He lived to see 49grandchildren and 23 great grandchildren. He belonged to no king of religious organization at all until 1745 he came in contact with the Brothers of the Moravian Church in Lynn [PA] and became a member in 1748. He was a member of the little flock in Lynn until 1769 when he moved with his son-in-law, the late John Everett, to Gnadenhutten. His wife died Dec 21, 1777. Both are buried in the burial ground at Gnadenhutten.</p><p>----------------------------------------</p><p>http://www.fmoran.com/johnholder.txt</p><p>Obituary of John HOLDER</p><p>Thanks to my cousins Wendy Hiefield, Bill D. Holder, and Bob Moore for the </p><p>following document. We have all tried our hands at transcribing the handwritten </p><p>original, and although we differ in a few minor points, we agree on most of it. </p><p>The transcription presented here is my own interpretation. </p><p>Tuesday March 2d 1784 in the Morning between 5 and 6 on a Clock took our Saviour </p><p>home for Himself our Aged BrotherJohn Holder, widower. His age was 92 years </p><p>less 19 days. And his remains was Interred Thursday the 4th of March upon the </p><p>Congregation Burring Ground under Br Francis Bèohlers Liturgy. To insert a in </p><p>Short a little of his Memories which has Dicdated some years ago to his Youngest </p><p>Daughter. He was Born at London up on Towerhill in Mary Bow Parish and Baptiz'd </p><p>in the High Church, by the Account he left his Father very early and Stad </p><p>[stayed? ] with his mother till he came with her in the year 1707 over to N York </p><p>into America, from here he follow'd afterwards at different Times the Sea as a </p><p>Sailor 10 Years partly in a Man of War and partly in a Merchant Man and after </p><p>that lived again with his Mother in the High Lands on Hudson River, till he </p><p>[married - word obviously omitted] in March 1722 with Barbara Volck in which </p><p>they have lived together 56 Years. And in which State our Saviour Blessed them </p><p>with 12 Children 6 Sons and 6 Daughters of which 5 are gone to our Savr before </p><p>him, and 7 are yet alive and mostly all here [looks like "and" crossed out] in </p><p>Pennsylvania and North Carolina incorporated into the Brethrens Congregation and </p><p>of his yet living Sons and Daughters and has lived to see 49 Grant Children and </p><p>12 Great Grant Children of both these different offspringsare gone a good many </p><p>before him.</p><p>He joind himself to no short [sort?] of Religious Denomination till in the year </p><p>1743 and 46 as the Brethren came to Lynn Town he was stirred up thro' the Grace </p><p>of our Lord in his Heart thro' their Preaching the Pure and Simple Gospel of </p><p>Jesus Suffring which laid an abiding hold on his Heart, which had such an Effect </p><p>that hein the Year 1748 in Feb was received into the Congregation and the Same </p><p>Year in May admitted to the Holy Supper of the Lord at Bethlm and he was a </p><p>Member of the little Flock of Lynn Town till the Year 1769 he moved with his Son </p><p>in Law Family our late B' John [must be John Everett, Maria's husband] here to </p><p>Gnadenhèutten and was one with of the list? first? of the Members of the ____ </p><p>Congregation here. Since in the Year 1777 on the 21st of December that his dear </p><p>wife went home he enjoy [strange choice of word, but I can't see what else it </p><p>would be; I expect the sense is different from what we would say] the state of </p><p>Widower, which ___ to have his old and long Companion taken from him went very </p><p>near and it seemd he hath lost something his Still Compos'd and Steady [??] Path </p><p>which was sometimes ___ with fretting of his long staying behind which made it </p><p>to them which were alway with him very heavy [?]. But onecould by reminding </p><p>him of the fromer [former?] time of Grace very easy bring ___ and he wishd </p><p>always that he soon may have the good look [luck?] to go home to him this his </p><p>Ardentlonging after he had Sicken'd this 6 Month and ___ most ___ and his heart </p><p>was in very happily situation [?] to the Comfort and Joy of all who knew him was </p><p>granted him by our Savior on the Day and Date above mentioned in a high Age and </p><p>what more sound Reason [?] and sense he lost Breath. He is now in Peace.</p><p>--------------------------------</p><p>John's obituary says they came to America in 1707, but other sources suggest 1710 as the more likely date.</p><p>------------------------------</p><p>1734 Land record in Lynn township, Lehigh Co., PA</p><p>1748 Jointed Moravian Church at Bethlehem, PA.</p><p>Some question about John HOLDER's nationality, in view of his mother's German surname and the fact that many Germans had sought refuge in England. CARTER states that John HOLDER's sons were all bilingual. Although born in London, John seems to have spent all his adult life as part of German-speaking communities.</p><p>John was a sailor for a time on a British warship and later on a merchant ship.</p><p>Chosen as an assessor of Northampton Co., PA on 3-Oct-1752.</p><p>In 1763 taxed on 5 acres cleared in what was then Penn township, Northampton Co., now Mahoning township, Carbron Co., PA.</p><p>Lived in Lynn township until 1769 whee he was assess for 20 acreas cleared land and 180 acres of woods when he moved with his son-in-law, John Everitt and his family to then Penn township near Gnaddenhutten and what is now Mahoning township, Carbon Co.</p><p>-------------------------------</p><p>Came to America with his mother ca. 1710, father having left the family earlier, reason unknown. Father was a sailor. John and mother settled in New York, possibly with Moravian settlers there, later moving to PA. This first Holder in our line lived to be quite old (almost 92 years).</p><p>It is a puzzle whether John's father was German, Dutch, or English. "Rem" might be a Dutch name. Or it may have been "Reu" for Reuben. "Graeff" is either German or Dutch. If John is</p><p>from German or Dutch parentage, why was he reportedly christened in the Anglican Church? John later became a sailor for awhile, like his father.</p><p>There are many HOLDERS in the Barbadoes Islands, and there is a history of English Holders in America as early as the 1600's.</p><p>SOURCES: HISTORY OF LEHIGH CO., PA, by Charles Roberts, 1914, v.3,p.1339.</p><p>Warren Ziegler, East Side St., PO Box 503, Milford, NJ 08848</p><p>Mary Lou Mariner, 20 Old Coach Rd., Sudbury, MA 01776</p><p>Pat Patton, 315 E. Crawford, Paris, IL 61944.</p><p>Walter Knittle, EARLY PALATINE IMMIGRATION:<p>Hans HOLZIR, frau and 1 child are listed as second party sailing, 23 May 1709. Could this be a transliteration of HOLDER?</p><p>JACOB GRAEFF was listed by Board of Trade as a Palatine in London 3 May1709. Hans Jacob Mark Graef, frau and 4 children, and Philip Jacob Greff and frau/2 children are also mentioned as 1709 immigrants. Could these have been brothers of Sybilla Graeff Holder?</p><p>SOURCES: HISTORY OF LEHIGH CO., PA, by Charles Roberts, 1914, v.3, p. 1339.</p><p>Warren Ziegler, East Side St., PO Box 503, Milford, NJ 08848.</p><p>Mary Lou Mariner, 20 Old Coach Rd., Sudbury MA 01776.</p><p>Pat Patton, 315 E. Crawford , Paris, IL 61944.</p><p>SOURCE: RAYMOND E. HOLLENBACH, MORAVIAN CHURCH RECORDS, ALLEMANGEL/GNADENHUTTEN CONGREGATIONS, 1973.</p><p>p. 8: JOHN HOLTER, born in London in old England, Mar. 21, 1694 and baptized soon thereafter. His father was Reu (Reuben?) Holder and his mother was Sibilla Graeff, both members of the High Church (Episcopal). Came to America in 1710.Married Barbara Volck in the month of May 1722.</p><p>In 1746 and 1747 he heard Brother George Schneider, but at first was very much adverse to his teachings. However after attending a meeting and learning what was really giong on, he changed his attitude, and in February 1748 he was admitted as a member of the congregation at Bethlehem.</p><p>p. 47: "Burials in the Burying Ground at Gnadenhuttenon the Mahony in Penn Township":</p><p>JOHN HOLDER, widower, died Tuesday, March 2, 1784, age 92 years less 19 days. He was born in London and bapt. in the "High Church." His father separated from the family very early and he came to America with his mother, to New York in 1707. For a while he was a sailor on a man-of-war and for a while on a merchant ship. Then he returned to his mother who lived Upland in New</p>York. In March 1722 he married Barbara Volck and they lived together 55 years. They had 6 sons and 6 daughters, five of whom died, and the 7 others lived mostly in Pennsylvania and North Carolina. He lived to see 49 grand children and 12 great grand children. He belonged to no kind of religious organization at all until 1745 he came in contact with the Brothers of the Moravian church in Lynn and became a member in 1748. He was a member of the little flock in Lynn until 1769 when he moved with his son-in-law, the late John Everett, to Gnadenhutten. His wife died Dec. 21, 1777. Both are buried in the burial ground at Gnadenhutten.

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<p>Came to America in 1710</p>

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<p>John Holder (1694-1784) was christened in London, England, in 1694, son of Reu or Rem Holder and Sybilla Graeff. Contrary to what's been published in several places, it seems clear from his obituary that he was baptized in the parish of St. Mary le Bow, near Tower Hill, and NOT in Marylebone Parish. Some of us Holder cousins have had a great deal of discussion in recent years about his parents'names and ethnic origin. His father's name comes from a handwritten record that could be interpreted as either Reu (Reuben?) or Rem, which might be of Dutch origin. Reu or Rem "separated from the family very early", and Sybilla immigrated to America with her teenage son John. The obituary says they came in 1707, but other sources suggest 1710 as the more likely date. They settled initially in Newburgh, New York, where John married Barbara Volck (1703-1777) in 1722, but by the time their first child was born, in 1723, they had moved to Berks Co. PA. Prior to his marriage, John spent some time as a sailor on a merchant ship and on a man-of-war. Although born in London, John seems to have spent all his adult life as part of German-speaking communities. We think that Sybilla was of German origin, but have not yet established a birthplace or parents for her.</p><p>&nbsp</p><p>Thanks to my cousins Wendy Hiefield, Bill D. Holder, and Bob Moore for the </p><p>following document. We have all tried our hands at transcribing the handwritten </p><p>original, and although we differ in a few minor points, we agree on most of it. </p><p>The transcription presented here is my own interpretation. </p><p>&nbsp</p><p>Tuesday March 2d 1784 in the Morning between 5 and 6 on a Clock took our Saviour </p><p>home for Himself our Aged Brother John Holder, widower. His age was 92 years </p><p>less 19 days. And his remains was Interred Thursday the 4th of March upon the </p><p>Congregation Burring Ground under Br Francis Böhlers Liturgy. To insert a in </p><p>Short a little of his Memories which has Dicdated some years ago to his Youngest </p><p>Daughter. He was Born at London up on Towerhill in Mary Bow Parish and Baptiz'd </p><p>in the High Church, by the Account he left his Father very early and Stad </p><p>[stayed? ] with his mother till he came with her in the year 1707 over to N York </p><p>into America, from here he follow'd afterwards at different Times the Sea as a </p><p>Sailor 10 Years partly in a Man of War and partly in a Merchant Man and after </p><p>that lived again with his Mother in the High Lands on Hudson River, till he </p><p>[married - word obviously omitted]in March 1722 with Barbara Volck in which </p><p>they have lived together 56 Years. And in which State our Saviour Blessed them </p><p>with 12 Children 6 Sons and 6 Daughters of which 5 are gone to our Savr before </p><p>him, and 7 are yet alive and mostly all here [looks like "and" crossed out] in </p><p>Pennsylvania and North Carolina incorporated into the Brethrens Congregation and </p><p>of his yet living Sons and Daughters and has lived to see 49 Grant Children and </p><p>12 Great Grant Children of both these different offsprings are gone a good many </p><p>before him.</p><p>He joind himself to no short [sort?] of Religious Denomination till in the year </p><p>1743 and 46 as the Brethren came to Lynn Town he was stirred up thro' the Grace </p><p>of our Lord in his Heart thro' their Preaching the Pure and Simple Gospel of </p><p>Jesus Suffring which laid an abiding hold on his Heart, which had such an Effect </p><p>that he in the Year 1748 in Feb was received into the Congregation and the Same </p><p>Year in May admitted to the Holy Supper of the Lord at Bethlm and he was a </p><p>Member of the little Flock of Lynn Town till the Year 1769 he moved with his Son </p><p>in Law Family our late B' John [must be John Everett, Maria's husband] here to </p><p>Gnadenhütten and was one with of the list? first? of the Members of the ____ </p><p>Congregation here. Since in the Year 1777 on the 21st of December that his dear </p><p>wife went home he enjoy [strange choice of word, but I can't see what else it </p><p>would be; I expect the sense is different from what we would say] the state of </p><p>Widower, which ___ to have his old and long Companion taken from him went very </p><p>near and it seemd he hath lost something his Still Compos'd and Steady [??] Path </p><p>which was sometimes ___ with fretting of his long staying behind which made it </p><p>to them which were alway with him very heavy [?]. But one could by reminding </p><p>him of the fromer [former?] timeof Grace very easy bring ___ and he wishd </p><p>always that he soon may have the good look [luck?] to go home to him this his </p><p>Ardent longing after he had Sicken'd this 6 Month and ___ most ___ and his heart </p><p>was in very happily situation [?] to the Comfort and Joy of all who knew him was </p><p>granted him by our Savior on the Day and Date above mentioned in a high Age and </p><p>what more sound Reason [?] and sense he lost Breath. He is now in Peace.</p><p>&nbsp</p><p>John Holder's obituary states that he had six sons and six daughters. We suspect that the missing daughter is probably a child who died young, but for completeness we would like to identify her also. </p><p>&nbsp</p><p>The brothers Joseph, George and Charles Holder all came to North Carolina and settled in the area of present-day Winston-Salem. George came in 1754, and made his home in the village of Bethabara, although he was one of the men who helped to build the new town of Salem. Charles arrived in 1766, and was one of the first residents of Salem. He was the saddle-maker. Joseph arrived with his family in 1767, in company with Paul Christian Stauber and a person named in the Records of the Moravians in NC [1:361] as Andreas Volz. We believe that this was actually Andreas Volck (1722-1790), Joseph Holder's uncle. Joseph Holder did not join the Moravian congregation himself, but several of his children did.</p>