Margaret (or Alice) de Segrave

A daughter of John Segrave was likely the 1st wife of Sir William de Ferrers, 1st Baron Ferrers of Groby, but Ellen de Menteith was his widow. It is disputed which wife was mother of his children.

Margaret de Segrave

• Name seen as Ellen, as Margaret, as Elizabeth, as Alice
• Father: John de Segrave, 2nd Lord Segrave 2nd, b. CIR 1256
• Mother: Christian de Plessetis
• Married to William de Ferrers, Lord Ferrers of Groby

“That William de Ferrers may have married a Segrave lady as his first wife seems quite likely, but the Baddesley Clinton windows should not be taken as proof of this alliance, let alone evidence that this individual was the mother of one or more of William de Ferrers children.”

J. Ravilious (2013)

https://www-personal.umich.edu/~bobwolfe/gen/mn/m26042x26043.htm

Richardson states, [2]

William de Ferrars, Knt., of Groby, Leicestershire, Stebbing, Woodham Ferrers, and Fairstead, Essex, and Newbottle and Farndon, Northamptonshire, etc. also lord of Leuchars (in Scotland), son and heir by his father's 1st marriage, born at Yoxall, Staffordshire 30 Jan. 1271/2. He married Ellen [SIC: Margaret or Alice] de Segrave, daugher of John de Segrave, Knt., 2nd Lord Segrave, by Christine, daughter of Hugh de Plescy, Knt., of Hooknorton and Kidlington, Oxfordshire. They had three sons, Henry [2nd Lord Ferrers of Groby], Thomas, Knt., and Ralph, Knt., and one daughter, Anne. He was summoned to perform military service in Gascony in 1294. In 1295 he was beyond seas with the Duke of Brabant. He fought at the Battle of Falkirk 22 July 1298, and was present at the Siege of Caerlaverock Castle in 1300. He was summon3d to Parliament from 29 Dec. 1299 to 24 Sept. 1324, by writs directed Willelmo de Ferariis or Willelmo de Ferrariis, whereby he is held to have become Lord Ferrers. He joined in the Baron's Letter to the Pope, 12 Feb. 1300/1, as Willilmus de Ferrariis dominus de Groby. In 1301 the Keeper of Galloway was ordered to restore to him his lands in that district, which the king, when last in those parts, had caused to be taken into his hand. He was summoned to attend the Coronation of King Edware II in 1308. His wife, Ellen, was living 9 Feb 1316/17. On 14 Feb. 1321/1. He was ordered to accompany the king against the contrariants. Sir William de Rerrers, 1st Lord Ferrers of Groby, died 29 March 1324/5.

Palmer states, [3]

William de Ferrers, summoned to parliament as baron of Groby from Jan. 26th, 1297, to Feb. 20th, 1325, when he d[ied]. He m[arried]. Elizabeth, dau[ghter]. of John lord Segrave. His son, Henry de Ferrers, [was] 3rd baron of Groby.

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Origins

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Segrave,_2nd_Baron_Segrave#Family

John Segrave, 2nd Baron Segrave (1256–1325) was an English commander in the First War of Scottish Independence. ... In 1270 John married Christian, daughter of Sir Hugh de Plescy (son of John du Plessis, 7th Earl of Warwick), Knt., ...

• Segrave's eldest son, Sir Stephen de Segrave, died shortly after him in 1325.[3]
• His second son, John, described by 1312 as John de Segrave the younger, married Juliana, daughter and heiress of John de Sandwich, lord of Folkestone, and died in 1349, leaving an infant daughter and heiress named Mary.[2]

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Disputed marriage

For evidence that Sir William de Ferrers' wife was a Segrave, see Legge, Anglo-Norman Letters & Petitions (Anglo-Norman Text Soc. 3) (1941): 78–79, for a letter dated 1399/1406 from Thomas la Warre, 5th Lord Warre, to Thomas Arundel, Archbishop of Canterbury, which mentions his “cousin” [mon tesentierment amé cousin], Henry le Despenser, Bishop of Norwich. Bishop Despenser and Lord la Warre were kin by way of their common descent from the Segrave family.

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/2008-12/...

For evidence that the (main) wife of William de Ferrer was not a Segrave, but was Ellen de Menteith, see J. Ravilious, The Earls of Menteith: Murdoch, Earl of Menteith and the Ferrers family of Groby, The Scottish Genealogist (March 2013), Vol. LX, No. 1, pp. 12-25 PDF

References

• Scrope, Richard Le. The Controversy Between Sir Richard Scrope and Sir Robert Grosvenor (Samuel Bentley, London, 1832) Vol. 2, Page 361: gives her name as "Helen daughter of John Lord Segrave".
• https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/71687296/william-de_ferrers
• Some corrections and additions to the Complete Peerage: Volume 5: Ferrers of Groby (PROPOSED CORRECTIONS) He [Sir William de Ferrers (d. 1324/5)] m. Ellen, who is said to have been da. of Sir John DE SEGRAVE, of Chacombe, Northants [LORD SEGRAVE], by Christine, da. of Sir Hugh DE PLESSY, of Hooknorton and Kidlington, Oxon.. Douglas Richardson, in April 2002, posted evidence that tends to support this marriage [citing M.D. Legge, Anglo-Norman Letters and Petitions, pp. 78, 79 (1941)]. http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/cp/p_ferrersofgroby.shtml
• https://genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00177543&tree=LEO cites
• [S00058] The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden. 5:343 parents established by Chris Phillips DRichardson