Margery Argentine

Not the same as Margery Sackville

Margery de AGUILLON was born 1222 in Old Buckhurst, Withyham, Sussex, England, and died ABT 1274 in Great Wymondley, Hitchin, Hertfordshire, England. She was the daughter of Robert de AGUILLON , of Old Buckhurst and Margery de FRESNEY.

Family

From https://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=AHN&db=jweber&id=I19741

She married

1. Giles de ARGENTEIN , of Melbourn & Wymondley was born 1210 in Melbourn, Royston, Cambridgeshire, England, and died BEF 24 NOV 1282 in Great Wymondley, Hitchin, Hertfordshire, England. He was the son of 4. Richard de ARGENTEIN , of Wymondley, Sir and 5. Cassandra de INSULA.

	  Children of Margery de AGUILLON and Giles de ARGENTEIN , of Melbourn & Wymondley are:

* i. Cassandra de ARGENTEIN was born ABT 1240 in Great Wymondley, Hitchin, Hertfordshire, England, and died AFT 1279. She married Ralph PEROT , of Radwell & Lindsell, Sir, son of Ralph PIROT , of Carlton & Lindsell, Sir and Joan. He was born ABT 1225 in Radwell, Hitchin, Hertfordshire, England, and died BEF 26 APR 1305 in Lindsell, Dunmow, Essex, England.

• ii. Reginald 1st Baron de ARGENTEIN , Sir was born ABT 1242 in Great Wymondley, Hitchin, Hertfordshire, England, and died BEF 3 MAR 1307/08 in Melbourn, Royston, Cambridgeshire, England. He married Laura de VERE ABT 1264, daughter of Hugh de VERE , 4th Earl of Oxford and Hawise de QUINCY. She was born ABT 1245 in Oxford, Oxfordshire, England, and died 1292 in Great Wymondley, Hitchin, Hertfordshire, England

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The children of Giles de Argentein

In addition to his son and heir Reginald, Giles had three younger sons:

1. Richard, living 1275
2. William, living 1275
3. Giles, who may be identical with the famous knight who was killed at Bannockburn in 1314 (none of whom left any issue) and a daughter:
4. Cassandra, who married Ralph Pyrot.

I assume that all these were the children of Ralph by Margery, as Margery seems to have been still living in 1267 (see discussion), while the three younger sons attested their father's charter in the mid-1270s; the earliest references linking the Argenteins and Ralph Pyrot are in the mid-1260s.

Notes

He was married, by the late 1230s, to Margery, the daughter, and one of four coheirs, of Robert Aguillon. There is little doubt that she was the mother of Giles's son and heir Reginald, but her inheritance seems not to have been retained by the family. Perhaps for this reason, contradictory statements have been made about her marriage and heir (see discussion).

http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/families/arg/f_argbiog.html#agu...

Origins

From https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aguillon_family

Sir Robert III (died before 1249) around 1217 founded Flitcham Priory.[22] and before 1239 he and his wife confirmed a grant by her father to Sibton Abbey.[23] Before 1239 he was married to Margaret, daughter and heiress of William Fresnay, and then to Agatha, daughter and coheiress of Fulk Beaufoy, lord of Hockwold in Norfolk.[24] After his death his lands were divided among his four daughters:

• Ela or Isabel (died before November 1251), who before 1231 married Sir Thomas Poynings
• Margery, who before 1239 married Sir Giles Argentine [and, secondly, Sir Jordan Sackville of Buckhurst NO]
• Joan (died after 15 February 1263), who married Sir Ralph FitzBernard (their grandson was Bartholomew Badlesmere, 1st Baron Badlesmere)
• Agatha, who married Sir Adam Cockfield.[24]

Comments

From SGM by Chris Phillips, as below, on 29 Jul 2001:

These four daughters of Robert Aguillon seem to be bedevilled by genealogical confusion. Blomefield and others cite evidence suggesting that the daughter Margery's heir was Andrew de Sackville, said to be her son by Jordan de Sackville. But as argued on the web page, the evidence seems to be clear that her heir was Reginald de Argentein, her son by Giles de Argentein, and it seems impossible that she could even have been married to Jordan de Sackville. Margery's inheritance seems to have passed from Reginald de Argentein to Andrew de Sackville by a fine in c.1282

Identity

From https://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jweber&id=I13294

Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann AT yahoo.com, in a post-em writes:

"The evidence... suggests that Margery married Giles before 1239 and lived until 1267, when Giles is mentioned, but was probably dead by c.1274, when her son Reginald appears (there is no doubt that Reginald was of age by 1267). Judging by Jordan de Sackville's Oxfordshire Inquisition Post Mortem, and others quoted by Phillips, his son Andrew was born 9 October 1253, at which date Margery was certainly married to Giles de Argentein. Andrew de Sackville does not appear in connection with the property until c.1282 (although Blomefield (vol.2, pp.181,183; vol.8, pp.412,413) gives some references vaguely dated 'temp.Henry III', in fact they must be later). The later records quoted by Phillips must be in error (Andrew perhaps being changed from 'successor' of Margery into her 'heir').

One other feature of Margery's (who married Giles de Argentein) ancestry disclosed by the evidence above is that her mother was Margery, the daughter of William de Fresney, and not, as usually stated, Agatha, the daughter and coheir of Fulk de Beaufo (Blomefield, vol.2, p.178, vol.8, pp 412,413; Farrer, vol.3, p.111). Note that Phillips makes this Agatha the mother, not the wife, of Robert Aguillon, which would resolve the problem.

Blomefield = F.Blomefield, An Essay Towards a Topographical History of the County of Norfolk; continued by C.Parkin (2nd edn, 1805-10).

Farrer = W.Farrer, Honors and Knights' Fees (1923). Phillips = C.J.Phillips, History of the Sackville Family (1929), vol.1, p.61." [Ref: The marriage of Giles de Argentein to Margery, daughter of Robert Aguillon http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/families/arg/argbiog.shtml]

Note: Jordan de Sackville also m. a Margery de Aguillon, who is a different person than this Margery (a cousin), although they lived approximately the same time (but were simultaneously married to two different husbands).

References

• 24. Francis Blomefield, 'Hundred of Grimeshou: Hockwold', in An Essay Towards A Topographical History of the County of Norfolk: Volume 2 (London, 1805), pp. 177-187. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/topographical-hist-norfolk/vol2/pp... [accessed 4 February 2019].