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Poppo I. Graf, Markgraf von Weimar, Markgraf von Istria

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Birthplace: Weimar, Thuringia, Germany
Death: July 13, 1044 (43-44)
Carniola, Slovenia
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Son of Wilhelm II "der Große" Graf im Visichgau (Weimar) and NN von Grabfeld
Husband of Hademoud II, de Semta et Ebersberg, comitissa
Father of Ulrich I Margrave de Carniola, Carintia e Istria
Brother of Wilhelm III Graf von Weimar and Agnes von Weimar-Orlamünde

Occupation: Margrave, de Krain
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About Poppo I von Weimar, Markgraf von Istria

Poppo I von Weimar, Markgraf von Istria

  • Son of William III of Weimar and Oda von der Niederlausitz
  • Poppo I (also Boppo; died 13 July, before 1044), Count of Weimar-Orlamünde, was margrave of Istria from 1012 and of Carniola from 1040 to his death.

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POPPO von Weimar, son of WILHELM II "der Große" Graf im Visichgau [Weimar] & his wife (-13 Jul before 1044). The Annalista Saxo records "Popo" father of "Odalricum" as brother of "Willehelmi et Ottonis marchionum"[258], but this is chronologically difficult to sustain. It is therefore more likely that Poppo was the son of Wilhelm [II] than Wilhelm [III] but the primary source which confirms this has not yet been identified. He succeeded in 1012 as POPPO I Marchese di Carniola e Istria. married HADAMUT of Istria, daughter of WERIAND Conte di Istria e Friulia & his wife Willibirg [Sieghardinger] (-after 1040). The Chronico Eberspergense names "Hadamuoden neptem suam [Oudalrici Eberspergensi] de filia Willibirga", specifying that her maternal grandfather granted her properties in "Sevun, Otacheresperc…Niuunchirchen …Huntilpach" as his sons had no surviving children[259]. Heiress of Istria. "Domina Azcica…patre Wecelino et Wilpurga…matre Hystriensium quondam comite et comitissa procreata" donated property to the monastery of San Michele di Leme, with the consent of "domine Wilpurge matris sue…et…domini Wolderici filii sui" by charter dated 12 May 1040[260].

Marchese Poppo & his wife HADAMUT of Istria had one child:

  • 1. ULRICH (-6 Mar 1070). The Annalista Saxo names Ulrich as son of Poppo[261]. "Domina Azcica" donated property to the monastery of San Michele di Leme, with the consent of "domine Wilpurge matris sue…et…domini Wolderici filii sui" by charter dated 12 May 1040[262]. He succeeded in 1045 as ULRICH I Marchese di Carniola, and in 1060 as Marchese di Istria. ""Marchio Odalricus" donated property "predium Lescah" [Leschach] to Brixen by charter dated to before 1063[263]. "Heinricus…rex" granted property "in pago Histrie…in comitatu Odalrici marchionis" to "prefato Odalrico marchioni" by charter dated 31 Jul 1064[264]. "Heinricus…rex" donated property "in pago Istria in marcha Odalrici marchionis" to the church of Freising by charter dated 5 Mar 1067 supported by "Ekkiberti marchionis, Odalrici marchionis"[265]. The Annalista Saxo records the death of "Odalricus marchio Carentinorum" in 1070[266]. married ([1062/63]%29 as her first husband, ZSÓFIA of Hungary, daughter of BÉLA I King of Hungary & his wife [Ryksa] of Poland ([1045/50]-18 Jun 1095, bur Lüneburg St Michaelis). The Annalista Saxo names "sororem Ladizlai regis Ungarie Sophiam" as wife of Ulrich, and in a later passage records her second marriage[267]. Zsófia has therefore generally been assumed to be the daughter of Béla I King of Hungary[268]. According to Wegener[269], she was the daughter of King Béla by Tuta von Formbach, whom he suggests was the king's second wife. His argument is based on connections with the monastery of Suben (near Schärding in Upper Austria), founded in 1040. He explains that Tuta is named in 1153 as "die Gründerin von Suben, Königin", and that in a later document at the monastery she is more specifically referred to as "Königin von Ungarn". The author makes the connection with Zsófia by highlighting the burial at Suben of Udalschalk Graf im Lurngau and his wife Adelheid. He identifies the latter as Zsófia's daughter by her first husband who, he suggests, married Udalschalk after the death of her earlier husband Friedrich I Domvogt von Regensburg. The major difficulty with this hypothesis is Zsófia's own birth date. She must have been before [1050] at the latest given the birth of her three (possibly four) children by her first husband, who died in early 1070. If Zsófia was King Béla's daughter, her mother must have been his Polish wife who, according to Europäische Stammtafeln[270], died after 1059. An alternative possibility is that she was Tuta's daughter, but by another king of Hungary. Europäische Stammtafeln[271] shows Tuta as the wife of Péter Orseolo King of Hungary. Contemporary political realities suggest that a prominent marriage for a daughter of the disgraced King Péter is unlikely. Until more information comes to light, it is safer to assume that Zsófia was the daughter of King Béla and [Ryksa] of Poland, and that another (so far unidentified) factor explains the apparent connection between Tuta and Zsófia through Suben monastery. Sophia married secondly ([1070/71]) Magnus of Saxony [Billung], who succeeded his father in 1072 as Magnus Duke in Saxony. Her second marriage is confirmed by the Chronicon Sancti Michaelis Luneburgensis which names "Sophia filia regis Ungarorum Wadreslai" as wife of "Magnus dux"[272], although King László was her brother not her father. Zsófia's second marriage presumably took place soon after the death of her first husband in Mar 1070 as Duke Magnus was imprisoned later in 1070. The Annalista Saxo records the death of "Sophia quoque ductrix…14 Kal Iunii"[273].

Marchese Ulrich I and his wife ZSÓFIA of Hungary had five children:

  • a) POPPO (-1098). The Historia Welforum names "Popponem marchionem" as son of "cuidam de Carinthia" & his wife "Sophia"[274]. He succeeded as POPPO II Marchese di Carniola e Istria. married ([1090]%29 as her first husband, RICHGARD von Sponheim, daughter of ENGELBERT Graf von Sponheim Graf im Pustergau & his wife Hedwig (-10 Apr [1130]). Her first marriage is indicated by the Fundatio Sancti Pauli in Carinthia which names "Poppo gener comitis" as first witness to a charter of Engelbert dated 2 Dec 1092, although this document does not name Poppo’s wife[275]. She married secondly Gebhard Graf von Diessen. Her second marriage is indicated by the following document: "Rihkart uxor Gebehardi comitis et filius eius Engilpreht" donated a mill “apud Chlotheim” to Ebersberg by undated charter[276]. Richgard’s supposed third marriage requires some explanation. Richgard's origin is confirmed by the following document: "Rihkart cometissa" donated "curtis ad Gurk" to Kloster St Paul by charter dated to [1106], witnessed by “Bernhart et Heinrih fratres eius...”[277]. [Richgard may have married thirdly Berthold [I] [von Schwarzenberg]. Wegener speculates that she married Berthold [I] von Schwarzenberg as her first husband[278]. The chronology of Richgard herself and of her first and second husbands suggests that she could only have married Berthold as her third husband. This suggestion fits neatly into a proposed new reconstruction of the Schwarzenberg/Regensburg family, shown in the document BAVARIA NOBILITY, aimed at reconciling apparently contradictory sources relating to the family origin of Friedrich [I] Archbishop of Köln. One difficulty is that Richgard would have had sons named Engelbert by both her second and third husbands, which seems unlikely.] Marchese

Poppo II and his wife RICHGARD von Sponheim had six children

  • i) [POPPO (-after 1117). The primary source which confirms his existence has not yet been identified.]
  • ii) ULRICH (-1124). The primary source which confirms his existence has not yet been identified.
  • iii) SIEGHARD (-1124). The primary source which confirms his existence has not yet been identified. Priest.
  • iv) SOPHIE ([1095/98]-16 Sep, bur Diessen). The Historia Welforum refers to the two daughters of "Poponem marchionem", specifying that they married "unam Bertholfo comiti de Andehse, aliam Alberto comiti de Bogen"[279]. Her birth date range is estimated from the probable age of her father and his death in 1098. The De Fundatoribus Monasterii Diessenses records the death "VIII Id Sep" of "Sophia comitissa uxor Pertoldi comitis" specifying that she was buried "in capitulo"[280]. married as his first wife, BERTOLD [I] von Andechs Graf von Diessen, son of [ARNOLD Graf von Diessen & his wife Gisela von Schweinfurt] (-27 Jun 1151, bur Diessen).
  • v) HEDWIG (-[Kloster Windberg 1 Dec 1162]). The Historia Welforum refers to the two daughters of "Poponem marchionem", specifying that they married "unam Bertholfo comiti de Andehse, aliam Alberto comiti de Bogen"[281]. The De Advocatis Altahensibus names "Hadwigam" as wife of "Aschwinus…comes de Bogen…dicitur Adilpertum comitem", specifying that her husband was "advocatus Altahensis ecclesie"[282]. Her supposed first marriage has not yet been corroborated by primary sources. Wegener records that Hadewich, widow of Graf Heriman, donated property to Göttweig with her son Heriman by charter dated [1122], witnessed by Adalbert son of Markgraf Luitpold[283], but this does not link her to the Hedwig who was the wife of Graf Adalbert. "Adalbertum comitem uxoremque eius Hadwicam de Windeberge" donated property to Oberaltaich[284]. The necrology of Oberaltaich records the death "Kal Dec" of "Hadewic coma"[285]. Both of these necrology entries refer to the widow of Graf Hermann, who in particular was clearly linked to Windberg, but do not provide proof that she was the same person as the widow of Graf Adalbert. [married firstly as his second wife, HERMANN [I] Graf von Windberg, Ratelberg und Winzenburg, Markgraf von Sachsen, son of MEGINHARD [IV] Graf Vogt von Niederaltaich [Formbach] & his wife Mathilde von Reinhausen (-Vornbach 1122).] married [secondly] as his second wife, ADALBERT [II] Graf von Bogen, son of ADALBERT [I] & his wife Luitgard von Regensburg (-13 Jan 1146).
  • b) ULRICH (-13 May 1112). The Annalista Saxo names him, and specifies his parentage, as well as his marriage to "filiam Lodowici comitis de Thuringia"[286]. Graf von Weimar 1067, although he would only have been a child at this date. He succeeded his brother in 1098 as ULRICH II Marchese di Carniola e Istria. The Ekkehardi Chronicon records the death in 1112 of "quidam de Saxonie principus…Oudalricus", specifying that he was "Ludewici comitis gener" but that he had repudiated his wife[287]. married (before 1102, repudiated) ADELHEID von Thüringen, daughter of LUDWIG "der Salier/der Springer" Graf in Thüringen & his [second] wife Adelheid von Stade([1087]-1146). The Cronica Reinhardsbrunnensis names "Adelheidis" as third daughter of Graf Ludwig & his wife, recording that she married "Udalrico comiti…de Wymar"[288]. The Cronica Reinhardsbrunnensis records the death in 1146 of "Alheidis comitissa filia secunda Lodewici"[289].
  • c) --- (-after 1091). The Historia Welforum refers to the four daughters of "Sophia ex duce Maginone", specifying that "terciam…duxit dux Maravie, quartam quam Egenhardus comes de Scirin a quodam monaterio…in Ratispona abstulit"[290]. It is clear from many other sources that Sophia and her second husband Magnus of Saxony only had two daughters, Wulfhild and Eilika. It is assumed therefore that the two other daughters referred to were her children by her first marriage with Ulrich of Istria, although the primary source which confirms this clearly has not yet been identified. Her husband has generally been identified as Konrad of Bohemia Duke of Brno, son of Břetislav Duke of the Bohemians & his wife Judith von Schweinfurt (-6 Sep 1092). Although the birth date of Duke Konrad is not known, the sons of Duke Břetislav appear to have been born in the [1030/40] range. The children of Marchese Ulrich, on the other hand, were born [1065/70], which would mean a considerable age difference if Duke Konrad was the correct Duke of Moravia. In addition, it would be impossible for the couple's son Udalrich to have had a daughter who was already alive in 1096 (see MORAVIA). If Duke Konrad were her husband, the Chronica Boemorum names "Wirpirk" as wife of "Chonradi"[291]. Another possibility which is more acceptable from a chronological point of view is that this daughter's husband was Udalrich Duke of Moravia, son of Duke Konrad & his wife Wirpirk [Hildburg] --- (-27 Mar 1113), who is recorded as having a daughter alive in 1096.
  • d) RICHGARD (-before 1128). The Historia Welforum refers to the four daughters of "Sophia ex duce Maginone", specifying that "terciam…duxit dux Maravie, quartam quam Egenhardus comes de Scirin a quodam monaterio…in Ratispona abstulit"[292]. It is clear from many other sources that Zsófia and her second husband Magnus of Saxony only had two daughters, Wulfhild and Eilika. It is assumed therefore that the two other daughters referred to were her children by her first marriage with Ulrich of Istria, although the primary source which confirms this clearly has not yet been identified. While there appears to be some confusion in this text, it does clarify that the daughter of Zsófia of Hungary married Graf Ekkehard not his brother Graf Otto, the latter being favoured by Wegener[293]. The primary source which names her has not yet been identified, although the necrology of Undensdorf records the death "XII Kal Jun" of "Wichart coma"[294] which may refer to Richgard. married EKKEHARD Graf von Scheyern, son of OTTO [I] Graf von Scheyern [Wittelsbach] & his second wife Hazziga [Hadagunda] von Scheyern (-before 1088, bur Fischbachau, transferred 1127 to Scheyern).
  • e) ADELHEID ([1064/70]-Kloster Tegernsee before 1124, maybe [1122]). The Historia Welforum refers to "aliam sororem eius quidam comes [=Poponem marchionem]" having been taken from her cloister by "quidam comes" by whom she had "Fridericum Ratisponensem advocatum"[295]. A charter dated to [1100/05] records donations to Oberaltaich by "Friedrich et Adelheit uxor eius" and "filius eius Oudalrich…Hartuich filius Adelheit…filia eius Touta…Friderich filius eius"[296]. A charter dated 1104 records donations to Oberaltaich by "Adelheit advocata et tres filii eius Udalrich clericus, Fridreich advocatus matricula Tyberine civitatis Hartwich" and "Leukart de Windberg et duo fili eius Bertoldus, Albertus"[297]. The primary source which confirms her second marriage has not yet been identified. "Adelhaid commitissa…cum filio suo Altmanno" donated property to Suben priory by charter dated to before 1124[298]. married firstly FRIEDRICH Domvogt von Regensburg, son of FRIEDRICH [I] & his wife [Tuta] von Regensburg ([1055/70]-[1096]). married secondly as his second wife, UDALSCHALK Graf im Lurngau und Gündlkofen [Hirschberg], son of HARTWIG [II] Graf an der unteren Ampar & his wife Avisa --- (-20 Nov [1115]).

Poppo I, Margrave of Carniola, by Wikipedia

Poppo I (also Boppo; died 13 July, before 1044), Count of Weimar-Orlamünde, was margrave of Istria from 1012 and of Carniola from 1040 to his death.

Poppo was the scion of a comital family from the Imperial Landgraviate of Thuringia. His father was Count William II of Weimar.

He married Hadamut, the daughter of one Count Weriand, who in 1001 had received large estates in eastern Friuli and Istria, then part of the March of Verona ruled by the Carinthian dukes, from the hands of Emperor Otto III. Poppo thus inherited a claim to the Istrian peninsula and began to use the margravial title. After King Henry III of Germany had inherited the Duchy Carinthia, he in 1040 established the separate Marches of Istria and Carniola. As his wife's mother was related to the Bavarian Counts of Ebersberg, who held possessions in Carniola, Poppo was also appointed Carniolan margrave.

Hadamut gave him one son, Ulric I, who succeeded his father in 1045.

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