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About Robert dit Moreau de Fiennes, Connétable de France
- Robert de Fiennes, dit Moreau, le 28e Connétable de France, est né vers 1308 au château du même nom, dans le Boulonnais, mort vers 1385. Il était fils de Jean, baron de Fiennes et de Tingry et d'Isabelle de Flandres, la plus jeune fille de Gui de Dampierre Comte de Flandre. On lui connaît deux sœurs: Jeanne, mariée en 1319 à Jean de Châtillon, Comte de Saint-Pol et Mahaut, mariée à Jean II de Bournonville, chambellan de Philippe VI de Valois roi de France. Son enfance a été marquée par les révoltes de la noblesse contre la Comtesse Mahaut d'Artois dont son père fut l'un des principaux protagonistes. Marié deux fois: d'abord avec Béatrice de Gavre, puis avec Marguerite de Melun, il n'en eut aucune descendance légitime.
- http://www.kentarchaeology.ac/digiarchive/ColinFlight/dover-constab... One of Ingelram's (Enguerrand I) descendants earned himself a place in this book by serving for a time as one of the "great officers of the crown". Robert de Fiennes (last occ 1381) was constable of France from 1356 (when he was appointed by the king) till 1370 (when he resigned). In the first edition he gets only a four-line entry (vol 2, p 36). In the third edition he gets a much longer entry (vol 6, pp 166--7); and that is followed by an even longer digression, "Genealogie de la maison de Fiennes" (pp 167--78). The early part of this genealogy is taken from Duchesne (1631); there are only a few alterations, not all of which are changes for the better. (For example, "Adelle de Selvesse" did not succeed her mother as "dame d'Ardres".) From Enguerrand onwards, all the way down to Robert de Fiennes, the last of his line (pp 168--70), the genealogy is mostly or altogether new. It is based on French evidence alone: there isreference to any English documents, nor to Dugdale's book. (It is to be noted, by the way, that a somewhat shortened version of this genealogy found its way into the "Dictionnaire de la noblesse" compiled by François-Alexandre de La Chenaye-Desbois (1699--1784). The first edition (which I have not seen) was published in seven volumes in 1757--65, the second in twelve volumes in 1770--8. A new edition (such books having become fashionable again) was published in nineteen volumes in 1863--6. I do not know whether the "genealogy of the house of Fiennes" was included in the first edition; it certainly occurs in the others (ed 2, vol 6, pp 387--9; ed 3, vol 8, pp 39--43). But in any case there is no point in citing this second-hand source.) The upshot is that we have two independent reconstructions of the family tree, and this is how they match up: See chart: http://www.kentarchaeology.ac/digiarchive/ColinFlight/dover-constab...
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Lebenslinie von Robert dit Moreau de Fiennes, Connétable de France
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1308
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Château de Fiennes, Fiennes, Pas-de-Calais, Nord-Pas-de-Calais, France (Frankreich)
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1385
Alter 77
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