Sarah Ufford

Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann AT yahoo.com, wrote in a post-em ("but I think based on unreliable information"):

Robert de Ufford, who married Sara de Vesey, inherited through her considerable estates which had formerly belonged to the Glanvilles. Their son, Robert de Ufford, was summoned to Parliament as a Baron 13 Jan. 1308, and continued to sit as such until the year 1311. He considerably augmented his estates by his marriage with Cicely, daughter and coheir of Robert, Lord Valoins, and also heiress of another branch of the Glanville family.
An account of the descent of the Glanville inheritance to the Uffords is given under the Lordships of Bawdsey, Glosthorpe, Orford, Aldringham, and Combs.

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"I see in Jack Comas' files on World Connect db=:990696, rootsweb.com, that Sarah is daughter of William de Vescy by his first (according to "reliable sources") wife Isabel Longespee. This looks reasonable to me."

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Proposed 1st wife of Robert de Ufford. Was she an heiress?

From The house of Howard by the late Gerald Brenan ... and Edward Phillips Statham ... With 32 full-page illustrations and 2 photogravure plates ...Published 1907 by Hutchinson & co. in London . Written in English. Page 6. "His first wife -- an Ufford, of the house which afterwards became the Earls of Suffolk -- brought him lands and gold, and although she died childless, these material relicts of her love remained in her possession."

from Genealogical Memoirs of the Extinct Family of Chester of Chicheley: Their Ancestors and Descendants, Volume 1 (Google eBook) Robert Edmond Chester Waters Robson & sons, 1878.  Page 322 - 323

Sir Robert de Ufford was appointed for the second time Justiciary of Ireland in 1276, (107) and retained his office during the unusually long period of nearly six years. He was succeeded at the end of 1281 by Stephen Fulbourn, Bishop of Waterford, who had acted as his deputy in 1279, when he spent the winter in England. (107) His recall was not followed by any loss of royal favour, for in the next year he obtained a grant of a weekly market and yearly fair at his manor of Bawdsey in Suffolk. (108) He died in 1298, when it was found at the inquest held after his death on 5th Oct., 26th Edw. I., that he had died seised of Ufford and other estates in Suffolk, and that his next heir was his son Robert, who was 19 years old on the feast of St. Barnabas the Apostle then last past (11th June). (109)

Sir Robert de Ufford had issue two sons and at least two daughters :*

• I. Robert, son and heir, afterwards the first Lord Ufford. (born 1279)
• II. Thomas, the ancestor of the Uffords of Wrentham, of whom hereinafter.
• I. Alice De Ufford was the first and childless wife of Sir William Howard Kt. of Wigenhale near Lynn, a Judge of Common Pleas 1293-1308, who was by his second wife Alice Fitton the ancestor of the Dukes of Norfolk
• H. MARGARet had the Royal assent 10th Feb. 1291-2 to marry Edmond Lord Colevillef of Bytham, who was then only four years old. (m) (born circa 1287)
• I suspect that Amarel De Uftord, Prioress of Carrow, in the suburbs of Norwich, 1289-1291, was another daughter of Robert and Mary de Ufford. (in) (died 1290)

From http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jweber&id...

Sarah Vesey's marriage Robert de Peyton is based on a book written by William Urmston S. Glanville-Richards, Esq. in 'Records of the Anglo Norman House of Glanville from AD 1050 to 1880', who describes three "Earls of Suffolk", which titles are totally false, and is described as "a classic example [e.g.] of 19th century antiquarian mayhem - built from a mass of unquestionably invaluable Glanville source material, assembled into a dismally ill-considered narrative/pedigree. (The most blatant and - because it is so patently berserk - ultimately least crucial example being his persistently calling Ran(d)ulph, William and Gilbert de Glanville the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd 'Earls of Suffolk' when no such earldom existed)." [Christopher Nash, 1 Sep 1998 posting to soc.genealogy.medieval newsgroup]

After such a glowing review of the veracity of the Glanville-Richards information, there is doubt whether Sarah existed or was married to Robert. She certainly is not indicated by any reliable source (CP, MCS, etc.]. However, the "reliable sources" do not have Robert marrying for the first time until he was about 40, which is unlikely. Plus I have a source for Alice as being a daughter of Robert, when her indicated age would be by a first wife earlier than the "Mary, widow of William de Say" who is the 1st wife, according to the "reliable sources".

• http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139894&tree=LEO
• * A Genealogical History of the dormant, abeyant, forfeited and extinct peerages of the British Empire, London, 1866, Burke, Sir Bernard. 543
• * The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden. XI 148
• Genealogical Memoirs of the Extinct Family of Chester of Chicheley: Their Ancestors and Descendants, Volume 1 (Google eBook) Robert Edmond Chester Waters Robson & sons, 1878.  Page 322 - 323
• A Genealogical History of the Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages of the British Empire (Google eBook) Bernard Burke Harrison, 1866 - Baronetage - 636 pages. Page 543. "UFFORD— BARONS UFFORD, EARLS OF SUFFOLK. Barony, by Writ of Summons, dated 13 January, 1308, by Creation in Parliament, dated 16 March, 1337. of this family, says Sir William Dugdale, which afterwards arrived to great honour, I have not seen anything memorable, until the 3rd Henry lll, when Robert, a younger son of John de Peyton, of Peyton, со. Suffolk, assuming his surname from the lordship of Ufford, in that shire, becameRobert De Ufford. This Robert was justice of Ireland in the reign of Henry III., and again in the reign of Edward I. He m. Mary, widow of William de Say, and dying in the 26th of the latter king, was succeeded by his son ..."