Sir John Whalesbourgh of Lancarfe

Wondering if this is the same John as the John de Whalesborough listed above (note discrepancy in possible birth year as well as different surname)? Could it be possible that a generation has been skipped between this John De Whalesburgh & the above John de Whalesborough? **See bottom of page for other information.

1. ID: I56124
2. Name: John De Whalesburgh
3. Surname: De Whalesburgh
4. Given Name: John
5. Sex: M
6. Birth: ABT 1320 in Lancarfe, Cornwall, England
7. Death: 1382 in Lamellen, Cornwall, England
8. _UID: 950A5B6A5B8F2E4E998AF74AC57C4E3AF75D
9. Note: John, Earl of Cornwall presented on 2 May 1335 to St. Mawgan-in-Kerrier, in place of John de Cymrubreu who was still a minor, but in 1337 caption of seizin of the Duchy of Cornwall, John de Cymrubreu was holding 3 knights fees in an illegible location and 1 fee in Hutno, for which he is required to do castle gmacrd and all other services in proportion to his holdings. Johannes de Whalisbreu, miles (knight), was Knight of the Shrie for Cornwall at the Parliments of 7 June 1344 and 23 Sept 1353. In 1346, Johanne de Cymrubreu held Laimaylwen and Lancarf "sisnch his father William formerly held it." Presented to the church of St Perran-Uthno on 17 July 1348, 19 June 1349, 10 Jan 1361/2 and to St Mawnwn in Kerrier 6 Aug 1349, 3 Apr 1350, 7 Dec 1361, 4 Mar 1361/2 and 22 Jane 1381. It is likely he who appears as Sir John Cymruborough on the Role of Edward III bearing arms "gules, three badlest a brochure engrailed sable." Sir John died before 6 July 1382, leaving the manors of Udnou, Cymrubrewe (Whalesborough), Treros, Lagker (Lancarff), Lamelwen (Lamellion) and Elwen and their advowsons to his widow Margaret for life should she not remarry. However, she did marry again, to Philip Trethosa, and a dispute over the wardship of the lands and heir ensued.

Father: John De Whalesburgh b: Sep 1289 in Lancarfe, Cornwall, England

Mother: Lamellen b: Mar 1292/1293 in Lamellen, Cornwall, England

Marriage 1 Margaret Maud b: ABT 1340 in England

Children:

• John De Whalesburgh b: ABT 1369 in Lancarfe, Cornwall, England
• Margery Anne De Whalesburgh b: 1381 in London, England

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Sir JOHN De WALESBREU. [1] of Udnou [Perran-Uthno], Walesbreuwe [Walesborough], Langkerf [Lancarffe], Treros [Trerose], Lamelwen [Lamellion], Elwen, Tresider, in Cornwall and Berienherbard [Berrynarbor], co. Devon, son of Sir John De Walesbreu by Joan De Bodrugan, was born 6 July 1346. [2]

Sir Roger Beauchamp presented at Perran-Uthno 11 Oct. 1372 by reason of him being enfoeffed in the lands of John De Walesbreu. [3] He had a license for an oratory at Walesbrew in Marhamchurch in 1374. [4] In the Fine Rolls, he occurs as a collector of a tax in 1377 and as escheator for Cornwall on 20 January 1381 [5] On 22 June 1381 he presented to St. Mawnan following the resignation of Reginald Beauchamp; presumably the same Reginald Beauchamp he enfoeffed his lands to. [6] This Sir John Walesborough appears on the Roll of Edward III bearing arms "gules, three bandlets a bordure engrailed sable." [7] This differs slightly from his father and grandfather who had a border with 9 bezants.

Sir John de Walesbrewe died “in parts beyond seas, day not known” before 20 January 1381/82 when a writ of diem clausit extremum was issued. His IPM showed he held Udnou, Walesbreuwe, Langkerf, Treros, Lamelwen, Elwen, Tresider, in Cornwall and Berienherbard, co. Devon. He had, however, granted all of them except Tresider and Berienherbard to Reynold Beauchamp and others who had in turn granted them back to his wife Margaret for the term of her life. She had by the time of the IPM on 5 March 1381/82 remarried to Philip Trethosa. His heir was his son John age 15. [8] A subsequent inquisition was held 6 July 1382 regarding the manors of Udnou, Walesbrewe, Treros, Langkerf, Lamelwen and Elwen and their advowsons. [9] Apparently, the regranting of lands back to Margaret for her life was with the provision that she should remain unmarried. However, since Margaret had remarried to Philip Trethosa there was a dispute over the lands and wardship of the heir. On 28 November 1382, Margaret and Philip Trethosa argued that there was no condition that she not marry and were asking for the lands back; also noted on this date was that the heir was John age 13. [11] They apparently failed as the King sold 2/3 of the land and the marriage of the heir to William Botreaux for 200 marks. [12] http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Soc/soc.genealogy.medieval/... - Research of Cochoit <cochoit@xxxxxxxxx>. Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 14:56:48 -0700 (PDT)

Sources:

• 1. Based on Ronny Bodine SGM Feb 25 1999 Whalesborough-Walesbreu of Cornwall. Ronny Bodine leaves out a generation here by combining the John Whalesborough d. 1362 and John Whalesborough d. 1382. http://tinyurl.com/y2bcneg
• 2. Hull, P.L., Devon & Cornwall Notes & Queries 33:4, p. 100. http://tinyurl.com/y343eeo
• 3. Reg. of Bishop Brantyngham p. 22 http://tinyurl.com/y7fo6fb
• 4. Reg. of Bishop Brantyngham p. 340 http://tinyurl.com/y27lmcu
• 5. Cal. Fine Rolls vol. 9 (1377-1383) p. 54, 302 http://tinyurl.com/yl7yn4u
• 6. Reg. of Bishop Brantyngham p. 70 http://tinyurl.com/yyr8b3s
• 7. Some feudal coats of arms and others by Joseph Foster p. 201. http://tinyurl.com/y4rnfsd
• 8. Cal. of IPM vol. 15, 1970 by Claire Noble (snippet view only) p. 258-259 http://tinyurl.com/y37hjgx
• 9. Cal. of Patent Rolls, (1381-1385) p. 194 http://tinyurl.com/y7qreqq
• 10. Cal. Fine Rolls vol. 9 (1377-1383) p. 342, 369 http://tinyurl.com/yl7yn4u
• 11. Cal. Fine Rolls vol. 10 (1383-1391) p. 32, 40 http://tinyurl.com/yyu7etd
• 12. Reg. of Bishop Brantyngham p. 108 http://tinyurl.com/y8yf5r6
• 13. Reg. of Bishop Stafford p. 196 http://tinyurl.com/y23dar7

Father: Sir John de WHALESBOROUGH Knight  1, 2, 3, 4, 5 was born 1306 in Tregardock, Cornwall, England. He died 6 26 Apr 1362 in Lancarffe, Cornwall, England. John married Joan de BODRUGAN on 1327 in Lancarffe, Cornwall, England.

Mother: Joan de BODRUGAN 1, 2, 3 was born 1308 in Bodrugan, Cornwall, England. She died 4 5 Jun 1349 in Lancarffe, Cornwall, England. Joan married Sir John de WHALESBOROUGH Knight on 1327 in Lancarffe, Cornwall, England.

Children of Sir John de Whalesborough & Joan de Bodrugan:

• Margaret de WHALESBOROUGH was born 1328.
• Sir John de WHALESBOROUGH Knight was born 6 Jul 1346 and died Jul 1382.

Sir John de WHALESBOROUGH Knight born 7 6 Jul 1346 in Lancarffe, Cornwall, England, died Jul 1382 in Lancarffe, Cornwall, England. John married Margaret on 1368 in Lancarffe, Cornwall, England. Margaret 1, 2 was born 1337 in Lancarffe, Cornwall, England. She died after 7 Apr 1391.

Children of Sir John de Whalesborough (b. 1346) & Margaret (b. 1337):

• Sir John WHALESBOROUGH Knight was born 1369 in Whalesborough, Cornwall, England and died 10 Jan 1418 in Whalesborough, Cornwall, England. John married Joan RALEIGH on 1395 in Whalesborough, Cornwall, England. Joan RALEIGH born 1372 in Nettlecombe, Somerset, England. She died 1436 in Pomeroy, Cornwall, England. (Other marriages of Joan RALEIGH: : POMEROY, Thomas Knight).

Children of Sir John Whalesborough, Knight (b. 1369) & Joan Raleigh (b. 1372):

• Thomas WHALESBOROUGH, 1 born 1396 in Whalesborough, Cornwall, England.
• John WHALESBOROUGH born 1398 in Whalesborough, Cornwall, England.
• Ismania WHALESBOROUGH born 1400.
• Elizabeth WHALESBOROUGH born 1402.
• Anne WHALESBOROUGH born 1404, died 1 Mar 1487.
• Alice WHALESBOROUGH born 1407.

Sources:

• http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hwbradley/aqwg735...
• http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hwbradley/aqwg187...
• http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hwbradley/aqwg125...