Sir Robert de Wateville, of Orton Waterville

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Robert de Wateville, Knight

Birthdate:
Birthplace: Orton Waterville, Huntingdonshire, England
Death: between February 06, 1330 and May 06, 1330 (21-22)
Immediate Family:

Son of Guy de Wateville and NN de Wateville
Husband of Alice Wateville and Margaret de Hastings
Brother of Roger de Wateville and NN Orketote

Occupation: Chevaler
Managed by: Scott David Hibbard
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About Sir Robert de Wateville, of Orton Waterville

When ... Hugh (le Despenser), Earl of Winchester, surrendered Bristol to Queen Isabel, 26 October 1326, Robert was among the rebels who recognised Edward, Duke of Aquitaine, as Keeper of the Realm.

(c) He m. Margaret, da. of John de Hastinges [lord Hastinges], by his 2nd wife, Isabel, da. of Hugh (le Despenser), Earl of Win chester.(d) He d. s.p., before 4 Apr. 1326.(e) His widow m,, before 1 June 1326, Robert de Wateville, and her dower was assigned in June and Aug. 1326, when the purparties of the heirs were also set out.(f) She d. 7 July 1359. (g)

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From 'Wills: 4 Edward III (1330-1)', in Calendar of Wills Proved and Enrolled in the Court of Husting, London: Part 1, 1258-1358, ed. R R Sharpe (London, 1889), pp. 355-362 http://www.british-history.ac.uk/court-husting-wills/vol1/pp355-362 [accessed 18 February 2015].

Monday next after F. of Translation of S. Edward, K. [13 Oct.].

Wateville (Robert de), "chevaler."—To John de Polteneye all his houses without Alegate. Margaret his chere compaigne, Roger de Wateville his brother, William Orketote his nephew, and Sir Thomas de Hegham, parson of the church of Tavstoke, (fn. 12) appointed-his executors. Dated at Bodekesham, (fn. 13) 6 February, A.D. 1330. Roll 58 (92).

  • 12. Tavistock, co. Beds.
  • 13. Co. Cambridge.

Acceded: 22 May 1306, Overton, Hunts.

From http://www.1066.co.nz/library/battle_abbey_roll3/subchap172.htm

"In 17 Ed. II. Marham belonged to Robert de Wateville."—Bridge's Northamptonshire. Was this—as seems likely—the same Robert who received license of pardon for having been concerned in the death of Piers Gaveston, "the Ganymede of Edward II.," and was a commissioner of array in Hampshire in 1324?"

Two years afterwards, he "had summons to attend a parliament at Westminster, inter caeteros proceres et magnates regni; and in the 1st, 2nd, and 4th Ed. III., had the like summons with the nobility of the realm. In the 32 Ed. I. (if he be the same person) he had a charter for free-warren at Overton-Waterville, in the co. of Huntingdon: and in the 9th Ed. II. fined forty shillings for license, to give certain lands at Overton-Waterville, and Ashele, in Huntingdonshire, to found a chantry at St. Mary's, at Ashele."—Banks.

Nothing is said of his posterity: and no other summons to parliament was ever issued to the family.

From Edward ll Blogspot - Two Weddings of 1326

Here's some information about two weddings which took place in 1326, from Edward II's chamber account of that year, which is now held in the library of the Society of Antiquaries in London (SAL MS 122).  The couples are Sir Richard Talbot and Elizabeth Comyn, and Sir Robert Wateville or Waterville and Margaret Hastings.

On 19 May 1326, at Marlborough, Edward II and presumably Hugh Despenser the Younger as well attended the wedding of Hugh's household knight Sir Robert Wateville and Margaret Hastings, Hugh's niece (her mother Isabel, Lady Hastings was Hugh's sister).  It was on this occasion that Edward II gave a massive twenty shillings to Lady Hastings' servant Will Muleward, "who was for some time with the king and made him laugh greatly."  Edward also gave twenty or forty shillings each to four other members of Lady Hastings' household, for their hard work in ensuring that the ceremony went ahead.

I assume, though don't know for sure, that Hugh Despenser the Younger had arranged the marriage between his knight Robert Wateville - he was, like Richard Talbot, specified as being Hugh's 'bachelor' in Edward II's chamber account - and his niece, who can't have been much past her mid-teens at the time but was already a widow.  Sir Robert Wateville was high in Edward II's favour, as several other entries in the king's chamber account of 1326 demonstrate, and was one of the men with whom Edward played an unspecified ball game in the park of Saltwood Castle a couple of weeks after his wedding (he also won money from the king at cross and pile).  The Marlborough wedding sounds like it was a lot of fun, and presumably Edward II also got to spend some time with his daughters Eleanor and Joan, who were living at Marlborough Castle in Lady Hastings' care.

- at Saltwood Castle in Kent on 1 June 1326, Edward went out into the park to play some kind of ball-game - iewer a pelot, it says, literally 'playing at ball' - with Robert Wateville, his steward Thomas le Blount and unnamed others. (Blount got twenty marks from Edward for this; maybe he was a demon goal-scorer.) Edward had gone to Saltwood on the very serious business of meeting the pope's envoys, the archbishop of Vienne and the bishop of Orange, who had travelled to England in an unsuccessful attempt to reconcile the king and his estranged wife Isabella. Edward II being Edward II, he still found time to have a bit of fun and take some outdoor exercise.

From King Edward II: His Life, His Reign, and Its Aftermath, 1284-1330 By Roy Martin Haines. Page 175-176.

... In 1327 Wateville received his reward, livery of the issues of the confiscated manor of Swaffham in Norfolk ....

From http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/hunts/vol3/pp198-203

... He seems to have been succeeded by his son Guy about 1227, (fn. 16) while another Robert had succeeded before 1252. (fn. 17) In 1275 Guy de Waterville did homage during his father's lifetime for land in Orton to Abbot Richard de London, (fn. 18) but he had succeeded to the manor by 1279. (fn. 19) In 1295 Robert de Waterville held it, (fn. 20) but by 1303 apparently the service had been reduced to half a knight's fee. (fn. 21) Before 1347 he, or his successor of the same name, granted the manor to William de Thorpe, (fn. 22) who paid an aid to Edward III in 1347. (fn. 23)

From Collectanea Topographica Et Genealogica Volume 3  edited by Frederic Madden, Bulkeley Bandinel, John Gough Nichols. Page 360.

Reginald de Waterville, and " Strangia" or " Estranea " his wife, held Marham in the 25th of Hen. III. (1240) He was probably son of Hugh de Waterville. Thorp Waterville, co. Northampton, and Orton Waterville, co. Huntingdon, were a part of their possessions. They bore Gules, 3 fleurs-de-lys Or, a chief barry nebuly Argent and Azure.


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Sir Robert de Wateville, of Orton Waterville's Timeline

1308
1308
Orton Waterville, Huntingdonshire, England
1330
February 6, 1330
Age 22