Theobald Granville

ID: I120105

• Name: Theobald GRANVILLE 1
• Sex: M
• Birth: ABT 1367 in Of, Stow, Cornwall, England
• Change Date: 14 JAN 2004
• Father: Theobald GRANVILLE b: ABT 1326 in Of, Kilkhampton, Cornwall, England
• Mother: Joice BEAUMONT b: ABT 1347 in Of, Stow, Cornwall, England
• Marriage 1 Margaret COURTENAY b: ABT 1381 in Of, Cornwall, England
• Married: ABT 1392 in Of, Bideford, Devonshire, England 1

Children

• 1. John GRANVILLE b: ABT 1393 in Of, Stow, Cornwall, England
• 2. William GRANVILLE (GRENV b: ABT 1395 in Of, Stow, Cornwall, England

Sources:

• Title: GEDCOM File : 842428.ged
  • Note: ABBR GEDCOM File : 842428.ged
  • Text: 8 AUG 2000

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There are some significant inconsistencies in this profile. Is it likely that Theobald married a woman over 20 years older than him, and then one more than 40 years younger? I suspect two Margarets from different generations are here. The marriage mentioned just above in notes seems more plausible-Margaret being born about 1381 (hopefully a little earlier), married in 1392, and a first time mother in 1393 (at 12 or 13).

There is another William before the one that marries Phillipa. He is that William's father. His wife is unknown. I can't seem to fix it.

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Theobald Grenville I BIRTH 1326
DEATH 1377 (aged 50–51)
BURIAL
St. James the Great Churchyard
Kilkhampton, Cornwall Unitary Authority, Cornwall, England
MEMORIAL ID 184566060

aka, John de Grenville, who was father of Theobald Grenville, FAG #
Theobald GRANVILLE 1;
Birth: ABT 1326, Kilkhampton, Cornwall, England

Father: Henry GRENVILLE b: ABT 1294, Kilkhampton, Cornwall, England
Mother: Ann VIVIAN b: ABT 1298, Kilkhampton, Cornwall, England
Marriage 1 Joice BEAUMONT b: ABT 1347, Stow, Cornwall, England
Married: ABT 1367, Stow, Cornwall, England 1
Children
1. Theobald GRANVILLE b: ABT 1367, Stow, Cornwall, England
Sources: *ancestry.com;

• The History of the Granville Family, as traced Back to Rollo, First Duke of Normandy, with pedigrees by Roger Granville, M.A., Rector of Bideford (1895):

https://archive.org/stream/historyofgranvil00gran#page/52/mode/2up

Henry de Grenvile left a son/ heir, Theobald, four years old at his father's death, when he was ward to Sir John Carew, and was later knighted. Married: Joyce, daughter of Thomas Beaumont, Earl of Mellent.
Burial: Believed here at Kilkhampton: Stowe House in the parish of Kilkhampton in Cornwall, England, UK, which was a mansion built in 1679 by John Grenville, 1st Earl of Bath (1628-1701) and demolished in 1739. The Grenville family, were for many centuries, lords of the manor of Kilkhampton, held from the feudal barony of Gloucester, as was their other principal seat of nearby Bideford in Devon. It is entirely possible the family's original residence at Kilkhampton was Kilkhampton Castle, of which only the groundworks survive, unusual in that it had a motte with two baileys.

Family Members
Spouse
Joyce De Beaumont Grenville
1347–1367

Children
Sir Theobald Grenville
1343–1381

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Sir Theobald de GRENVILE, Knt.

Born: Abt 23 Jul 1322, Stow, Cornwall
Married:
Died: After 1379

General Notes: Relationship to Compiler: 19 x great-grandfather

Research Notes: Son and heir, a contemporary of King Edward IIII of England, shown in the Inquisition taken on the death of his father (1327) as aged 4 years at Whitsunday last. 25 Feb 1328, York Grant to William de Chevereston, for a fine of 50l., of the marriage of Theobald de Grenevill, son and heir of Henry de Grenevill, tenant in chief, a minor in the king's ward, so that if the said Theobald die before he reach the age of fifteen years and be married, the said William shall have the marriage of his next heir, being a minor, and so from heir to heir. Order to the escheator beyond Trent to deliver him the body of the heir to be married. Calendar of Fine Rolls, 2 Edw. III, Membrane 14, p. 82 17 Edward III (1343) Theobald de Grenevill recovered in the King's Bench, the advowson of Kylkhampton. 29 Jul 1347, in Manerio nostro de Clyst 'Theobald de Grenevill, juvenis Miles sive Thiro status Militaris on the Saturday after the late feast of St. Benedict, (July) at the dawn of day, with Thomas de Merton, Richard Tyrel, John de Linscote, John Trenger, and a rabble composed of about 500 persons, proceeded with arms offensive and defensive to the Manor of Tawton and to the Glebe and Vicarage House, and forcing Premises belonging to the Church, as also the houses of free tenants there, varia bona Ecclesiastica sub protectione Ecclesiastica ibidem existentia ad valorem ducentarum marcarum et amplius contra volantum dominorum hujusmodi locorum et eorum qui hujusmodi custodiis fuerant deputati, consumere, auferre et contrectare dampnabiliter presumpserunt. After severely beating and even murdering some of the tenants, and residents of the place, these lawless invaders decamped hooting and shouting and terrifying the neighbourhood... [On] the 14th of the following January, Sir Theobald Greneville, on his bended knees, made due submission to the Bishop in aula manerii sui de Chudleigh in the presence of his sureties, John de Ralegh and John de Dynham, knights, and of Almaric Fitzwaryn, Sheriff of Devon, and succeeded in obtaining the benefit of absolution.' 10 Nov 1349, Westminster Whereas the king by letters patent has appointed William Botriaux, Westminster. John de Ferers, William de Chaumbernoun, Henry Trethewy, John Moveroun and John Dabernoun as keepers of the peace in the county of Cornwall, and whereas Ralph de Beovyle, Reginald and Alexander his sons, John Beovyle, brother of the same Ralph, William Lamferon, John son of Winan Tirel, Thomas Marsly, Balph Marsly, Serlo Wyse, Nicholas Kellihellon, John Arnes, Edmund Sor, Walter Trevynythyk, John Cury, John, servant of Balph Beovyle, Robert Post, Nicholas Bourne, Thomas de Trewithian, John, his son, John Wolvedon, Matthew servant of Thomas Marsly and Hugh de Botriaux, indicted before the said keepers of the peace of felonies, have withdrawn from the county on that account, the king has appointed John de Ferers, Bichard de Merton, Theobald de Grenvyle, 'chivaler,' John Moveron, Walter Fitz William, John Dabernoun, William Gyneys, Euerwin de la Launde and John de Horsham to take them and deliver them into the custody of the keeper of the king's gaol of Launceveton. Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edw. III, vol. 8, p. 454 Sunday after the Purification, 24 Edward III (1350) Called Theobaldus de Greynvile Miles, Lord of Kilkhampton, he gave and granted to Richard de Piggisdon and his heirs, all his lands and tenements in Stowe in Kilkhampton, together with rents and services of Joan late the wife of Nicholas de Stowe, for the lands she holds in dower. 8 Oct 1353, Westminster Pardon, at the request of William de Monte Acuto, earl of Salisbury, to Theobald de Greneville, 'chivaler,' lately convicted by the inquisition upon which he put himself before Hugh de Courteneye, earl of Devon, and his fellows, justices appointed to hear and determine a trespass against John, bishop of Exeter, by him and others, of whatever pertains to the king on account of that trespass, he having fully satisfied the bishop of the damages adjudged to him on account of the trespass, as William de Shareshull, chief justice, before whom the record and process of the said plea have been sent at the suit of the defendants, has certified. Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edw. III, vol. 9, p. 496 35 Edward III (1361) Styled Lord of Bidiford in two grants of land in his manor of Bidiford. 20 Mar 1364, Westminster [Commission of oyer and terminer] to John Moubray, Theobald de Grenvill, Edmund de Chelreye, John Dabernoun and Randolf Trewysa, touching indictments of Osbert Hamely and his yeoman Michael Gros before John de Monte Acuto and his fellows, late justices of the peace in the county of Devon, and before Richard Sergeaux and his fellows, late justices of the peace in the county of Cornwall, of felonies and trespasses as the said justices cannot proceed further with the indictment! because of the king's commissions of later date appointing other justices of the peace. Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edw. III, vol. 12, p. 534 Tuesday after Michaelmas, 1 Richard II (1377/8) Theobald grants to Robert Langdon, Agnes his wife, and John their son, two burgages in Bidiford, and suit to his court of Bidiford. Wednesday the Feast of the Conversion of St. Paul, 3 Richard II (1379/80) John de Stowe, son and heir of Walter de Stowe, grants to Sir Theobald and his heirs &c. two messuages in Stowe, in his manor of Kilkhampton.

Marriage Information: Theobald married Joyce de BEAUMONT, daughter of Thomas de BEAUMONT.

Sources: The Herald's Visitations of the County of Cornwall, Grenvile or Granville of Stowe, p. 190; Calendar of Fine Rolls; Ecclesiastical antiquities in Devon: being observations on several churches in Devonshire, with some memoranda for the history of Cornwall, by George Oliver, pp. 14-15; A supplement to the four volumes of The peerage of England: Containing a succession of the peers from 1740; with accounts of those who have been promoted to higher titles, by Arthur Collins, p. 70

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Theobald Grenville I
BIRTH 1326
DEATH 1377 (aged 50–51)
BURIAL
St. James the Great Churchyard
Kilkhampton, Cornwall Unitary Authority, Cornwall, England
MEMORIAL ID 184566060

aka, John de Grenville, who was father of Theobald Grenville, FAG #
Theobald GRANVILLE 1;
Birth: ABT 1326, Kilkhampton, Cornwall, England

Father: Henry GRENVILLE b: ABT 1294, Kilkhampton, Cornwall, England
Mother: Ann VIVIAN b: ABT 1298, Kilkhampton, Cornwall, England
Marriage 1 Joice BEAUMONT b: ABT 1347, Stow, Cornwall, England
Married: ABT 1367, Stow, Cornwall, England 1
Children
1. Theobald GRANVILLE b: ABT 1367, Stow, Cornwall, England
Sources: *ancestry.com;

• The History of the Granville Family, as traced Back to Rollo, First Duke of Normandy, with pedigrees by Roger Granville, M.A., Rector of Bideford (1895):

https://archive.org/stream/historyofgranvil00gran#page/52/mode/2up

Henry de Grenvile left a son/ heir, Theobald, four years old at his father's death, when he was ward to Sir John Carew, and was later knighted. Married: Joyce, daughter of Thomas Beaumont, Earl of Mellent.
Burial: Believed here at Kilkhampton: Stowe House in the parish of Kilkhampton in Cornwall, England, UK, which was a mansion built in 1679 by John Grenville, 1st Earl of Bath (1628-1701) and demolished in 1739. The Grenville family, were for many centuries, lords of the manor of Kilkhampton, held from the feudal barony of Gloucester, as was their other principal seat of nearby Bideford in Devon. It is entirely possible the family's original residence at Kilkhampton was Kilkhampton Castle, of which only the groundworks survive, unusual in that it had a motte with two baileys.

Family Members
Spouse
Joyce De Beaumont Grenville
1347–1367

Children
Sir Theobald Grenville