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Parent of Garnier de Venisy and Anseau de Venisy
Sibling of Arnaud de Venisy

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 H.      SEIGNEURS de VENISY

Venisy is located north-east of Auxerre in the present-day département of Yonne, in the canton of Brienon-sur-Armançon. The Venisy family rose to retrospective fame in the early 13th century dispute between Pope Innocent II and Erard de Brienne Seigneur de Ramerupt concerning the validity of his marriage to Philippa of Jerusalem [Champagne], their consanguinity being traced to a common descent from Philippe I King of France, in the case of Erard through Adelais de Venisy. The family of earlier seigneurs de Venisy in the mid-12th century is reconstructed mainly from charters in the collection of the cartulary of Yonne.

-http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgdauxer.htm#GarnierVenizydied1145A

 Two siblings: 

1. ARNAUD [de Venisy] . A charter dated 20 May 1145 records the donation to the abbey of Dilo of “censum suum…apud Naalli” by “Joffridus de Montchardun”, which the monks had repurchased from "Arnaudo avunculo Garini de Venesi"[744]. It is possible that Arnaud was deceased at the date of the charter, his interest in the property in question having been inherited by Garnier. It is not known whether Arnaud was the maternal or paternal uncle of Garnier. The term "avunculus" would indicate his maternal uncle if used in its strict sense, but the word was often used more loosely in contemporary documentation.

2. [brother/sister] --- . As noted above, it is not known which parent of the brothers Garnier and Anseau was the sibling of Arnaud.

m ---. Two children:

  • a) GARNIER [Warin] de Venisy (-after 1151). A charter dated 20 May 1145 records the donation to the abbey of Dilo of “censum suum…apud Naalli” by “Joffridus de Montchardun”, which the monks had repurchased from "Arnaudo avunculo Garini de Venesi", with the consent of "hoc Garino de Venesi et uxore eius de cujus feodo census est et filio ipsorum Anselmo", witnessed by "Garinus de Venesi, Anselmus filius eius…"[745]. - see below.
  • b) ANSEAU de Venisy . “Garinus de Venisiaco et uxor mea Petronilla cum filio Ansello” confirmed a donation of land at Chailly to Pontigny, reciting a division of the land in the presence of “Ansello fratre meo”, by charter dated 9 Aug 1141, with the consent of "…filius noster Fregericus" and witnessed by "…Theobaldus de Venisiaco…"[746]. It is unclear from the wording of the document whether Anseau, brother of Garnier, was deceased at the time, the division of land having taken place at some time before the confirmation.