Prince of Volynya Yaroslav (Ioann) Sviatopolkovich - Incorrect Mother?

Additionally, the notes in the About seciton of Barbara Komnene's profile make it clear there's no proof of her parentage and there are no children listed for her marriage as the 3rd wife of Sviatopolk II Michael Iziaslavich

Well, now it's 2022 and I find myself back here with the same problem, that Barbara Komnene doesn't seem to actually be the correct mother for Yaroslav, as I had posted in Aug. 2020.

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/RUSSIA,%20Rurik.htm#IaroslavSviatop...

SVIATOPOLK MIKHAIL Iziaslavich, son of IZIASLAV I Grand Prince of Kiev & his wife Gertrud of Poland (1050-16 Apr 1113). The Primary Chronicle names Sviatopolk son of Iziaslav, recording that his father established him as Prince of Polotsk in 1069 after the death of his brother Mstislav[223]. He was appointed to succeed his brother Mstislav as Prince of Polotsk in 1069, but was expelled by his predecessor Prince Vseslav in 1071[224]. He was installed as Prince of Novgorod in 1078 by his uncle Vsevolod Grand Prince of Kiev, but transferred to Turov in 1088, relinquishing the latter in 1093 when he succeeded his uncle as SVIATOPOLK II Grand Prince of Kiev. His possession of Kiev was confirmed in 1097 under the family accord at Liubech, which distributed the various family territories. This was followed by the conference at Uvetichi 30 Aug 1100, at which further distributions were made. After years suffering from raids by the Kuman [Cumans], he made peace in 1101 at Sakov near Pereyaslavl, but carried out the first of a series of counter-offensives against them in 1103[225].

m firstly ---. Baumgarten records this first marriage, citing a secondary source in support[226].

m secondly (1094) --- Kuman princess, daughter of TUGOR Khan of the Kumans (-before 1103). The Primary Chronicle records the marriage in 1094 of Sviatopolk and the daughter of Tugorkan[227].

m thirdly ([1103]) BARBARA Komnene, daughter of --- (-1125). Baumgarten cites one secondary source confirming Barbara Komnene as third wife of Grand Prince Sviatopolk II[228]. The Translatio Manus Sancti Stephani, included in Orlieb's Zwiefaltensis Chronicon, records the marriage of "Bolezlai Boloniorum…ducis" and "ex nobilissimis principibus Grecorum filiam suam cuidam tradidit in matrimonium regi Rutenorum", the editor of the compilation consulted identifying "rex Rutenorum" as "Swiatopolk Michael princeps Kiewensis, cuius coniux altera filia aut cognate fuit imperatoris Alexii"[229]. Neither source specifies her parentage. Sturdza refers to her as the daughter of Isaakios Komnenos, brother of Emperor Alexios I, although he does not name her[230]. The primary source on which this is based has not yet been identified.

Mistress (1): ---. The name of the mistress of Grand Prince Sviatopolk II is not known.

Grand Prince Sviatopolk II & his first wife had [four] children:

1. IAROSLAV Sviatopolkovich (-killed in battle May 1123). The Primary Chronicle names Iaroslav, son of Sviatopolk, recording that his father installed him in Vladimir[231]. He was installed as Prince of Volynia in 1100.

Medlands clearly states that Yaroslav was the son of his father's first wife. It would be nice if someone would fix the connections here on Geni so the pathways are accurate.

Thanks for any assistance.

Thanks, Erica!

Erica Howton

Someone recently went back in and reconnected Barbara Komene as Yaroslav's mother after we've gone thru this already and established she wasn't...

from Medlands:

IZIASLAV I Grand Prince of Kiev & his wife Gertrud of Poland (1050-16 Apr 1113). The Primary Chronicle names Sviatopolk son of Iziaslav, recording that his father established the various family territories. This was followed by the conference at Uvetichi 30 Aug 1100, at which further distributions were made. After years suffering from raids by the Kuman [Cumans], he made peace in 1101 at Sakov near Pereyaslavl, but carried out the first of a series of counter-offensives against them in 1103[225].

m firstly ---. Baumgarten records this first marriage, citing a secondary source in support[226].

m secondly (1094) --- Kuman princess, daughter of TUGOR Khan of the Kumans (-before 1103). The Primary Chronicle records the marriage in 1094 of Sviatopolk and the daughter of Tugorkan[227].

m thirdly ([1103]) BARBARA Komnene, daughter of --- (-1125). Baumgarten cites one secondary source confirming Barbara Komnene as third wife of Grand Prince Sviatopolk II[228]. The Translatio Manus Sancti Stephani, included in Orlieb's Zwiefaltensis Chronicon, records the marriage of "Bolezlai Boloniorum…ducis" and "ex nobilissimis principibus Grecorum filiam suam cuidam tradidit in matrimonium regi Rutenorum", the editor of the compilation consulted identifying "rex Rutenorum" as "Swiatopolk Michael princeps Kiewensis, cuius coniux altera filia aut cognate fuit imperatoris Alexii"[229]. Neither source specifies her parentage. Sturdza refers to her as the daughter of Isaakios Komnenos, brother of Emperor Alexios I, although he does not name her[230]. The primary source on which this is based has not yet been identified.

Mistress (1): ---. The name of the mistress of Grand Prince Sviatopolk II is not known.

Grand Prince Sviatopolk II & his first wife had [four] children:

1. IAROSLAV Sviatopolkovich (-killed in battle May 1123). The Primary Chronicle names Iaroslav, son of Sviatopolk, recording that his father installed him in Vladimir[231]. He was installed as Prince of Volynia in 1100.

- see below, Chapter 4. PRINCES of TUROV and PINSK.

...which plainly states that he was the child of his father's 3rd wife and his father's children were from his 1st wife - including this Yaroslav / IAROSLAV.

After you fix it - again - perhaps it needs locking down so this won't keep happening.

Thanks.