דינה כ"ץ-העשיל (וואהל-קצנלנבוגן), ״הגדולה״ - Dina KATZ HESCHEL ( Katzenellenbogen???)

Haim Wartski,Hachoen,

Thanks for this information. In this context, I think it makes sense that I was unable to find a listing of her children in "The Unbroken Chain".

Just to clarify, I don't think that UC was actually calling in to question whether or not Dinah was from the Katzenellenbogen family. As best I understand, the issue was with regard to some confusion about her mother's lineage. But the book definitely had her father as being a Katzenellenbogen descendant. It seems that both of the men purported to be her father are claimed by their proponents to be descendants of Saul Wahl in one way or another.

Claudia

Haim Wartski,Hachoen This is another frustrating situation similar to the parentage of Dinah. There are two options presented as the spouse of R' AY Heschel, one is a daughter of Rabbi Moshe Leizer's Isserl's, of Vilna and the other is a granddaughter. So, there is agreement as to her being a direct descendant of R' Moshe Leizer's, but uncertainty about whether the spouse is also a descendant of the K'bogen tree (not to even mention the alternatives in the K'bogen tree). Instead of putting both spouses officially on the profile, which propagates erroneous and confusing information to innocent researchers, I would instead have an unnamed placeholder spouse connected by two ungendered placeholders to R' Moshe Leyzers, and then explain briefly but fully the alternatives in 'About', and then lock the profiles. This prevents incorrect information from propagating across the entire GENI tree and is something only the curators can do.

We are speaking about a hazard of public trees: what to do when there is conflicting pedigree data and no clear reason to decide one way or the other. You can opt to 1) have all the conflicting data appear simultaneously (like what we are seeing here: two spouses), or 2) arbitrarily and possibly wrongfully select which data to use, which is what is happening with Dina's parents), or 3) do not officially enter any of the data until more evidence is available. using unnamed placeholders if appropriate, or simply leaving roles blank, while explaining the conflicting options in a commentary part of the profile. If any researcher wishes to use unofficial information in creating their own off-line trees then that is their decision, but I don't think it is a good practice to force an unproven alternative on to the entire GENI tree, nor to simply let all the unproven alternatives co-exist in a meaningless tangle. GENI is a really great concept, but it needs to inspire greater confidence and present clearer information, or people will throw up their hands in frustration.

Claudia Bullock
Private User

As much as I tried to find reliable information on the subject-I failed ... every book claims to have the reliable information ... this is one of those cases where an absolute conclusion cannot be reached ..
Regarding the husband:
Rabbi Avraham Yehoshua Heschel [of Cracow] (Hanukat HaTorah)
Fortunately, here the information is solid and everything is fine