Arnoaldus de Metz

If his son in law was the 27th bishop of Metz he was perhaps no bishop of Metz.

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Arnoald, also called Arnoldus or Arnual (ca 560 – ca 611), was a Bishop of Metz between 601 and 609 or 611, the successor of Agilulf, and a Margrave of Schelde. He was the son of Ansbertus, a Senator, and wife Blithilde.

Married before 584 to Oda (?), born ca 564. Scholars looking to replace the traditions that would make Arnulf of Metz the son of Arnould have proposed alternative relationships between Arnoald and the Carolingians. Proposed solutions would make him father of one of the following:

• Saint Itta, married to Pippin of Landen
• Dode or Doda, who became a nun in 612 at Treves becoming called also Clothilde of Treves, born ca 584, married ca 596 to Arnulf of Metz

Father of St. Arnulf of Metz

It is a subject of much debate among genealogists whether or not Arnoald is the father of Arnulf bishop of Metz, who, according to Christian Settipani's early publications, is a perfect candidate. Settipani contradicts himself in newer publications, stating that Arnulf of Metz couldn't have been Arnoald's son given to no mention of the former having any royal blood. Further speculation indicate Arnulf's father could be a Bodegisel, based on documents from old Frankish legends. This statement is also uncertain. He states instead that Arnoald was Arnulf's father in law.

References and citations

   * Christian Settipani, Les Ancêtres de Charlemagne (France: Éditions Christian, 1989).

   * Christian Settipani, Continuite Gentilice et Continuite Familiale Dans Les Familles Senatoriales Romaines A L'epoque Imperiale, Mythe et Realite, Addenda I - III (juillet 2000- octobre 2002) (n.p.: Prosopographica et Genealogica, 2002).

   * Various Monumenta Germaniae Historica (Leipzig: Verlag Karl W. Hiersemann, 1923-1925).

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Arnoald, also called Arnoldus or Arnual (ca 560 – ca 611), was a Bishop of Metz between 601 and 609 or 611, the successor of Agilulf, and a Margrave of Schelde. He was the son of Ansbertus, a Senator, and wife Blithilde.

Married before 584 to Oda (?), born ca 564, they were the parents of:

   * Saint Itta, married to Pippin of Landen

   * Dode or Doda, also called Dode of Metz, Dode of Old Saxony or Doda the Saxon, who became a nun in 612 at Treves becoming called also Clothilde of Treves, born ca 584, married ca 596 to Arnulf of Metz

Father of St. Arnulf of Metz

It is a subject of much debate among genealogists whether or not Arnoald is the father of Arnulf bishop of Metz, who, according to Christian Settipani's early publications, is a perfect candidate. Settipani contradicts himself in newer publications, stating that Arnulf of Metz couldn't have been Arnoald's son given to no mention of the former having any royal blood. Further speculation indicate Arnulf's father could be a Bodegisel, based on documents from old Frankish legends. This statement is also uncertain. He states instead that Arnoald was Arnulf's father in law.

References and citations

   * Christian Settipani, Les Ancêtres de Charlemagne (France: Éditions Christian, 1989).

   * Christian Settipani, Continuite Gentilice et Continuite Familiale Dans Les Familles Senatoriales Romaines A L'epoque Imperiale, Mythe et Realite, Addenda I - III (juillet 2000- octobre 2002) (n.p.: Prosopographica et Genealogica, 2002).

   * Various Monumenta Germaniae Historica (Leipzig: Verlag Karl W. Hiersemann, 1923-1925).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnoald

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Died in Carthage.

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http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnoul_de_Metz (zoon)

Diverses sources tardives, comme une hagiographie de Clou de Metz du viiie siècle ou une généalogie rédigée sous Charles le Chauve, indiquent que le père d'Arnoul (Arnulf) s'appelait Arnoald ou Ansoald et son père Ansbert.

Un ancien manuscrit, retrouvé dans l'abbaye de Longeville-lès-Metz indique ainsi que Ansbert aurait été envoyé par l'empereur Justinien comme ambassadeur auprès du roi Clotaire II et que là il y aurait épousé Blitilde, prétendue fille du roi mérovingien. De leur union naquirent quatre enfants dont l'ainé Arnoald était le père d'Arnoul. L'authenticité de ce mariage à fait l'objet d'intenses polémiques au xviie siècle mais il est aujourd'hui admis que ces récits sont apocryphes et ont été créés dans un but politique, pour affirmer la légitimité de la maison de Lorraine1.

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Arnoald, also called Arnoldus or Arnual (ca 560 – ca 611), was a Bishop of Metz between 601 and 609 or 611, the successor of Agilulf, and a Margrave of Schelde. He was the son of Ansbertus, a Senator, and wife Blithilde.

Married before 584 to Oda (?), born ca 564, they were the parents of:

   * Saint Itta, married to Pippin of Landen

   * Dode or Doda, also called Dode of Metz, Dode of Old Saxony or Doda the Saxon, who became a nun in 612 at Treves becoming called also Clothilde of Treves, born ca 584, married ca 596 to Arnulf of Metz

[edit] Father of St. Arnulf of Metz

It is a subject of much debate among genealogists whether or not Arnoald is the father of Arnulf bishop of Metz, who, according to Christian Settipani's early publications, is a perfect candidate. Settipani contradicts himself in newer publications, stating that Arnulf of Metz couldn't have been Arnoald's son given to no mention of the former having any royal blood. Further speculation indicate Arnulf's father could be a Bodegisel, based on documents from old Frankish legends. This statement is also uncertain. He states instead that Arnoald was Arnulf's father in law.

References and citations

   * Christian Settipani, Les Ancêtres de Charlemagne (France: Éditions Christian, 1989).

   * Christian Settipani, Continuite Gentilice et Continuite Familiale Dans Les Familles Senatoriales Romaines A L'epoque Imperiale, Mythe et Realite, Addenda I - III (juillet 2000- octobre 2002) (n.p.: Prosopographica et Genealogica, 2002).

   * Various Monumenta Germaniae Historica (Leipzig: Verlag Karl W. Hiersemann, 1923-1925).

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Arnoald, also called Arnoldus or Arnual (ca 560 – ca 611), was a Bishop of Metz between 601 and 609 or 611, the successor of Agilulf, and a Margrave of Schelde. He was the son of Ansbertus, a Senator, and wife Blithilde.

Married before 584 to Oda (?), born ca 564, they were the parents of:

Saint Itta, married to Pippin of Landen Dode or Doda, also called Dode of Metz, Dode of Old Saxony or Doda the Saxon, who became a nun in 612 at Treves becoming called also Clothilde of Treves, born ca 584, married ca 596 to Arnulf of Metz

[edit] Father of St. Arnulf of Metz It is a subject of much debate among genealogists whether or not Arnoald is the father of Arnulf bishop of Metz, who, according to Christian Settipani's early publications, is a perfect candidate. Settipani contradicts himself in newer publications, stating that Arnulf of Metz couldn't have been Arnoald's son given to no mention of the former having any royal blood. Further speculation indicate Arnulf's father could be a Bodegisel, based on documents from old Frankish legends. This statement is also uncertain. He states instead that Arnoald was Arnulf's father in law.

[edit] References and citations Christian Settipani, Les Ancêtres de Charlemagne (France: Éditions Christian, 1989). Christian Settipani, Continuite Gentilice et Continuite Familiale Dans Les Familles Senatoriales Romaines A L'epoque Imperiale, Mythe et Realite, Addenda I - III (juillet 2000- octobre 2002) (n.p.: Prosopographica et Genealogica, 2002). Various Monumenta Germaniae Historica (Leipzig: Verlag Karl W. Hiersemann, 1923-1925). Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnoald"

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Wikipedia Entry on Arnoald (Retrieved 1-22-2009) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnoald

Arnoald, also called Arnoldus or Arnual (ca 560 – ca 611), was a Bishop of Metz between 601 and 609 or 611, the successor of Agilulf, and a Margrave of Schelde. He was the son of Ansbertus, a Senator, and wife Blithilde.

Married before 584 to Oda (?), born ca 564, they were the parents of:

   * Saint Itta, married to Pippin of Landen

   * Dode or Doda, also called Dode of Metz, Dode of Old Saxony or Doda the Saxon, who became a nun in 612 at Treves becoming called also Clothilde of Treves, born ca 584, married ca 596 to Arnulf of Metz

Father of St. Arnulf of Metz

It is a subject of much debate among genealogists whether or not Arnoald is the father of Arnulf bishop of Metz, who, according to Christian Settipani's early publications, is a perfect candidate. Settipani contradicts himself in newer publications, stating that Arnulf of Metz couldn't have been Arnoald's son given to no mention of the former having any royal blood. Further speculation indicate Arnulf's father could be a Bodegisel, based on documents from old Frankish legends. This statement is also uncertain. He states instead that Arnoald was Arnulf's father in law.

References and citations

   * Christian Settipani, Les Ancêtres de Charlemagne (France: Éditions Christian, 1989).

   * Christian Settipani, Continuite Gentilice et Continuite Familiale Dans Les Familles Senatoriales Romaines A L'epoque Imperiale, Mythe et Realite, Addenda I - III (juillet 2000- octobre 2002) (n.p.: Prosopographica et Genealogica, 2002).

   * Various Monumenta Germaniae Historica (Leipzig: Verlag Karl W. Hiersemann, 1923-1925).

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Arnoald, also called Arnoldus or Arnual (ca 560 – ca 611), was a Bishop of Metz between 601 and 609 or 611, the successor of Agilulf, and a Margrave of Schelde. He was the son of Ansbertus, a Senator, and wife Blithilde.

Married before 584 to Oda (?), born ca 564, they were the parents of:

Saint Itta, married to Pippin of Landen Dode or Doda, also called Dode of Metz, Dode of Old Saxony or Doda the Saxon, who became a nun in 612 at Treves becoming called also Clothilde of Treves, born ca 584, married ca 596 to Arnulf of Metz

Father of St. Arnulf of Metz It is a subject of much debate among genealogists whether or not Arnoald is the father of Arnulf bishop of Metz, who, according to Christian Settipani's early publications, is a perfect candidate. Settipani contradicts himself in newer publications, stating that Arnulf of Metz couldn't have been Arnoald's son given to no mention of the former having any royal blood. Further speculation indicate Arnulf's father could be a Bodegisel, based on documents from old Frankish legends. This statement is also uncertain. He states instead that Arnoald was Arnulf's father in law.

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Arnoald, also called Arnoldus or Arnual (ca 560 – ca 611), was a Bishop of Metz between 601 and 609 or 611, the successor of Agilulf, and a Margrave of Schelde. He was the son of Ansbertus, a Senator, and wife Blithilde.

Married before 584 to Oda (?), born ca 564, they were the parents of:

   * Saint Itta, married to Pippin of Landen

   * Dode or Doda, also called Dode of Metz, Dode of Old Saxony or Doda the Saxon, who became a nun in 612 at Treves becoming called also Clothilde of Treves, born ca 584, married ca 596 to Arnulf of Metz

[edit] Father of St. Arnulf of Metz

It is a subject of much debate among genealogists whether or not Arnoald is the father of Arnulf bishop of Metz, who, according to Christian Settipani's early publications, is a perfect candidate. Settipani contradicts himself in newer publications, stating that Arnulf of Metz couldn't have been Arnoald's son given to no mention of the former having any royal blood. Further speculation indicate Arnulf's father could be a Bodegisel, based on documents from old Frankish legends. This statement is also uncertain. He states instead that Arnoald was Arnulf's father in law.

References and citations

   * Christian Settipani, Les Ancêtres de Charlemagne (France: Éditions Christian, 1989).

   * Christian Settipani, Continuite Gentilice et Continuite Familiale Dans Les Familles Senatoriales Romaines A L'epoque Imperiale, Mythe et Realite, Addenda I - III (juillet 2000- octobre 2002) (n.p.: Prosopographica et Genealogica, 2002).

   * Various Monumenta Germaniae Historica (Leipzig: Verlag Karl W. Hiersemann, 1923-1925).

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Arnoald, also called Arnoldus or Arnual (ca 560 – ca 611), was a Bishop of Metz between 601 and 609 or 611, the successor of Agilulf, and a Margrave of Schelde. He was the son of Ansbertus, a Senator, and wife Blithilde.

Married before 584 to Oda (?), born ca 564. Scholars looking to replace the traditions that would make Arnulf of Metz the son of Arnould have proposed alternative relationships between Arnoald and the Carolingians. Proposed solutions would make him father of one of the following:

Saint Itta, married to Pippin of Landen Dode or Doda, who became a nun in 612 at Treves becoming called also Clothilde of Treves, born ca 584, married ca 596 to Arnulf of Metz [edit] Father of St. Arnulf of Metz It is a subject of much debate among genealogists whether or not Arnoald is the father of Arnulf bishop of Metz, who, according to Christian Settipani's early publications, is a perfect candidate. Settipani contradicts himself in newer publications, stating that Arnulf of Metz couldn't have been Arnoald's son given to no mention of the former having any royal blood. Further speculation indicate Arnulf's father could be a Bodegisel, based on documents from old Frankish legends. This statement is also uncertain. He states instead that Arnoald was Arnulf's father in law.

[edit] References and citations Christian Settipani, Les Ancêtres de Charlemagne (France: Éditions Christian, 1989). Christian Settipani, Continuite Gentilice et Continuite Familiale Dans Les Familles Senatoriales Romaines A L'epoque Imperiale, Mythe et Realite, Addenda I - III (juillet 2000- octobre 2002) (n.p.: Prosopographica et Genealogica, 2002). Various Monumenta Germaniae Historica (Leipzig: Verlag Karl W. Hiersemann, 1923-1925). Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnoald" Categories: 560 births | 611 deaths | Bishops of Metz | French Roman Catholics | 7th-century bishops

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From the Wikipedia page on Arnoald: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnoald

Arnoald, also called Arnoldus or Arnual (ca 560 – ca 611), was (the 25th) Bishop of Metz between 601/603 and 609/611, the successor of Agilulf, and a Margrave of Schelde. He was the son of Ansbertus, a Senator, and wife Blithilde. (As such, French Wikipedia lists his nationality as "Gallo-Roman". Feast day is April 17.)

Married before 584 to Oda (?), born ca 564. (French Wikipedia says: "Tradition attributes to him a wife named Oda, but this is the result of confusion from the middle ages. Two traditions about the father of St. Arnulf existed, one that suggests that St. Arnulf is a holy Bodogisel, with a wife named Oda. Aegidius Orval tried to reconcile the two traditions by making Arnoald and Bodogisel the same person." Therefore, French Wikipedia asserts that the wife's name is unknown.)

(French Wikipedia says: "Very little is known from contemporaraneous documents. He is cited in 616 in a testament of St. Bertrand, Bishop of Le Mans, who despised him and fails to mention his acting as bishop with his uncle Agilulf. Arnoald is said to have stolen property belonging to the church of Le Mans.")

(In 783, Paul Deacon writes in the Liber de Episcoporum Mettensium: "Agiulf is said to have a father from a noble family of senators and a mother who is the daughter of King Chlodoveus. After him came his nephew Arnoald. He was succeeded by Pappolus. Arnoald, from a very noble and powerful strain of the Franks, begot two sons in lawful matrimony: Anchises and Chlodoul.")

(A 12th century tradition has Arnoald as the founder of the Abbey of St. Arnulf von Merkingen. The lands which were the domain of the abbey were sold to him by King of Austrasia Theodobert II. This is currently an area of Saarbrucken called St. Arnual Markt.)

Scholars looking to replace the traditions that would make Arnulf of Metz the son of Arnould have proposed alternative relationships between Arnoald and the Carolingians.

(According to French Wikipedia: At the beginning of the 19th century, Claude Philippe de Viville proposed the dates of his term as bishop as 599-609. The analysis of charters, catalogs, and episcopal confrontations set within the historical constraints made by Jorg Jamut shows the bishop's term to be 603-611. This confirms the tradition that claims Arnoald was bishop for 8 years and 1 month. But the death of Agilulf, predecessor to Anoald, took place in 601.)

Proposed solutions would make him father of one of the following:

1. Saint Itta, married to Pippin of Landen 2. Dode or Doda, who became a nun in 612 at Treves/Trier becoming called also Clothilde of Treves, born ca 584, married ca 596 to Arnulf of Metz

Father of St. Arnulf of Metz

It is a subject of much debate among genealogists whether or not Arnoald is the father of Arnulf bishop of Metz, who, according to Christian Settipani's early publications, is a perfect candidate.

Settipani contradicts himself in newer publications, stating that Arnulf of Metz couldn't have been Arnoald's son given to no mention of the former having any royal blood. Further speculation indicate Arnulf's father could be a Bodegisel, based on documents from old Frankish legends. This statement is also uncertain. He states instead that Arnoald was Arnulf's father in law.

(French Wikipedia says: "The first mention of Arnoald's ancestry is given by Paul Deacon, who says he was the nephew of his predecessor Agilulf, making him the son of a daughter of Clovis. The pedigrees established by the diocese of Metz from 810, as listed in the Commemoratio genealogiae domni Karoli gloriossimi imperatoris gives him as the son of Ansbert and Bilichide, the latter a daughter of King Clotaire I, and adds that he is the father of St. Arnulf, ancestor of the Carolingians. Recent analysis of these traditions confirms the name of his parents and uncle, but rejects the relationship with King Clotaire I, correcting Clovis to Chloderic, and considers Arnoald not the father, but the stepfather of St. Arnaulf.)

References and citations

Christian Settipani, Les Ancêtres de Charlemagne (France: Éditions Christian, 1989).

Christian Settipani, Continuite Gentilice et Continuite Familiale Dans Les Familles Senatoriales Romaines A L'epoque Imperiale, Mythe et Realite, Addenda I - III (juillet 2000- octobre 2002) (n.p.: Prosopographica et Genealogica, 2002).

Various Monumenta Germaniae Historica (Leipzig: Verlag Karl W. Hiersemann, 1923-1925).

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Noteringar Margrave of the Scheldt

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"m. Oda, a Swabian Lady. (He appears to have been Governor of Aquitaine, and was murdered at Carthage returning from an Embassy inConstantinople, 588". (Weis 190-7) "ARNOALDUS, Markgrave of the Schelde, after his wif's death turnedmonk and went into the monastery of St. Martin in Villa Longa, whichhe himself had built, succeeded as Bishop of Mentz d. 601; m. Oda, aSwabian lady, and had Itta (Itha or Ida) who m. Pipinus de Landis, thefirst duke of Brabant, 615, Major Domus of Clothary II, d. 647. andalso St. ARNOLPH). Y.F.T. p.67.

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Arnoald, also called Arnoldus or Arnual, was a Bishop of Metz between 601 and 609 or 611, the successor of Agilulf, and a Margrave of Schelde. He was married before 584 to Ada of Swabia; they were supposedly the parents of Saint Itta (married to Pippin of Landen) and Dode (or Doda, also called Dode of Metz), which makes the entire scheme very confusing, to say the least, since this Doda would also be the wife of Ada's son by a different husband.

It is a subject of much debate among genealogists whether or not Arnoald is the father of Arnulf bishop of Metz, who, according to Christian Settipani's early publications, is a perfect candidate. Settipani contradicts himself in newer publications, stating that Arnulf of Metz couldn't have been Arnoald's son given to no mention of the former having any royal blood. Further speculation indicate Arnulf's father could be a Bodegisel, based on documents from old Frankish legends. This statement is also uncertain. He states instead that Arnoald was Arnulf's father in law.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnoald for more information.

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(Baudgise). Name also seen as 'Arnoldus de Moselle'.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnoald

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Suffix : Biskop i Metz

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Arnoldus' ancestry is continued elsewhere on this tree.

Arnoldus' father was Arnoldus Metz and his mother was Berthe (Aldeberge Bilthildis) Kent. His paternal grandparents were Ansbertus Moselle and Blithilde Gaul; his maternal grandparents were Charibert I Paris and Ingoberge Paris. He had a sister named Dode Clothilde. He was the older of the two children.

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Arnoald, also called Arnoldus or Arnual (ca 560 – ca 611), was a Bishop of Metz between 601 and 609 or 611, the successor of Agilulf, and a Margrave of Schelde. He was the son of Ansbertus, a Senator, and wife Blithilde. Married before 584 to Oda (?), born ca 564, they were the parents of: ▪ Saint Itta, married to Pippin of Landen ▪ Dode or Doda, also called Dode of Metz, Dode of Old Saxony or Doda the Saxon, who became a nun in 612 at Treves becoming called also Clothilde of Treves, born ca 584, married ca 596 to Arnulf of Metz

Father of St. Arnulf of Metz It is a subject of much debate among genealogists whether or not Arnoald is the father of Arnulf bishop of Metz, who, according to Christian Settipani's early publications, is a perfect candidate. Settipani contradicts himself in newer publications, stating that Arnulf of Metz couldn't have been Arnoald's son given to no mention of the former having any royal blood. Further speculation indicate Arnulf's father could be a Bodegisel, based on documents from old Frankish legends. This statement is also uncertain. He states instead that Arnoald was Arnulf's father in law.

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http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~agrandchildsherit...

Arnoldus, Bishop of Metz,

• son of Ansbertus the Senator
• Father of Itta (<620-694)

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  Leo: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to America bef. 1700, Baltimore, 1995, Weis, Frederick Lewis; Sheppard, Walter, Reference: 163.

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  http://www.our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p336.h...

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(Wiki)

Arnoald, also called Arnoldus or Arnual (c. 540/560 – c. 611), was a Bishop of Metz between 601 and 609 or 611, the successor of his uncle Agilulf. He was the son of Ansbertus, a Senator, and wife Blithilde.

Virtually no information survives concerning the acts of Arnoald prior to his becoming Bishop of Metz or during his occupation of the episcopal seat. From Paulus Diaconius we learn that he was Roman and of senatorial extraction suggesting that he came from one of the families in southern Gaul whose members had held senatorial rank during the empire.

The Commemoratio Genealogiae Domni Karoli Glorissimi Imperatoris, clearly incorrect in some respects (see below), suggests strongly that Arnoald was one of the Ferreoli, a family dating from the 4th century who were based in the Midi but appear to have switched their loyalties from the Visigothic Kingdom to the Frankish Kingdom of Austrasia with its capital at Metz during the two decades following the Battle of Vouillé in 507. Modern arguments have been made that this relationship was invented by contemporaries to give the Carolingians a Roman pedigree. However this is unlikely to have been the case inasmuch as (a) the Ferreoli, though significant, were far from the senior senatorial family in Gaul and (b) it would have been too easy for the Carolingians to obtain whatever Roman bloodline they wished legitimately by marrying into remnants of those families.

Still the interest taken by the Austrasians in the Ferreoli is enigmatic and significant and may have to do with their potential use in a conquest of Visigothic Septimania. Several members of the family were elevated to the rank of Patrician (senior Roman official) of Provence during the 6th century. Arnoald's acquisition of the bishopric of Metz is unsurprising inasmuch as his uncle Agilulf had held it. The reason Agilulf was granted the position is more obscure. There do not appear to be any predecessors of this family in the bishopric of Metz which prior to 590 was not important enough to warrant a single mention from Gregory of Tours. Prior to Agilulf, the most powerful bishops in the Austrasian kingdom were Egidius of Rheims and Gregory of Tours.

Egidius was convicted of treason in 590 and the rise of the Bishops of Metz from that time certainly is in part due to those events. Even after these events, Metz cannot truly be said to have become the most powerful bishopric until the time of Arnulf. It is of some interest that the name of the diplomatically adept deacon of Gregory of Tours in 590 was also an Agilulf.