Dreux de Charny

Origins

Dreux was the eldest son as he inherited Charny

“The Charny Genealogy.” By Dorothy Crispino <PDF>. Page 19-20

Jean de Charny, son of Hugues and Mabile, living in 1314 (C), living in 1318 (A), mar. Marguerite de Joinville, dau. of Jean de Joinville, biographer of King Saint Louis, and Alix de Reynel (D 176). Jean accompanied the Duke of Burgundy in the wars in Flanders in 1304 (A, Pr). In 1315 he witnessed the will of Louis, Prince of Achaia and the Morea (P1 136). He is cited in documents of 1294, 1304, 1315, 1318 and was not living in 1323 (Pr 129). Anselme gives Jeanne de Frolois as Jean's second wife. However, now we know (Spectrum 32/33 p. 44) that it was Jean fils who mar. Jeanne de Frolois.

Jean and Marguerite had:

• 1. Isabeau (L), of legal age by 1319, maybe deceased by 1340. In 1328-1329, she held a fief from the king at Chastelleries d'Isles (L 408).
• 2. Dreux inherited Charny. Louis, Prince of Achaia and the Morea, King of Thessalonica, gave him for wife Agnes de Vostizia, along with her lands in the Morea, including the barony of Richolichi de Niveleto. In this passage, Dreux is referred to as "the brother of Geoffroy de Charny" (M-F). Dreux died between 1323-1325. In 1325 his two daughters, Isabelle and Guillemette, were under 7 years of age (W). The demesne passed to Guillemette. In 1344 she mar. Philibert de Jonvelle (C 127); their dau., Agnes, mar. 1) Guillaume de Vergy [their dau. Jeanne de Vergy, mar. Henri de Bauffremont]; 2) Philibert de Bauffremont (C 585).
• 3. Jean, in 1315 already mar. to Jeanne de Frolois (she d. 1342). At one time Jean and his sister Isabeau held a subfief from Regnaut de Rumilly (L 325). In 1346, he was seig. of Maraut (C 11), which then passed to Guy de Jaucourt, remaining in that family for three centuries. Jean and his wife left no known issue.
• 4. Geoffroy, seig. of Lirey, Savoisy, Montfort, etc., mar. 1) Jeanne de Toucy; 2) Jeanne de Vergy, dau. of Guillaume de Vergy, seig. of Mirabeau, and Agnes de Durnay (A).

Placing the progeny of Jean de Charny in this order is mere guesswork, based on a few dates. Dreux was the eldest son as he inherited Charny.

References

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoffroi_de_Charny Because Geoffroi de Charny was a third son, he did not inherit the lordship of Charny, which on the death of his father and his eldest brother Dreux went to Dreux’s daughter Guillemette’s husband Philip de Jonvelle.[4]
• Père Anselme de Sainte Marie, Histoire Généalogique et Chronique ed la Maison Royale de France vol VIII (Paris, 1733), p.202
• Charny's Career and Writings: The Current Understanding. Published online by Cambridge University Press: 26 March 2021. Ian Wilson and Nigel Bryant. <link> … If as seems likely the young Geoffroi spent almost his whole childhood without his natural mother, a further handicap of his birth was that he was the youngest of three brothers. As required by Salic law his eldest brother, Dreux de Charny, inherited the main Charny lordship and castle, in addition to which an advantageous marriage brought Dreux two lucrative Morea baronies, Nivelet and Vostitza, all of which passed to Dreux's daughters on his untimely death c. 1325. Jean II de Charny, the second eldest brother, seems to have inherited the lesser Charny fiefs of Lirey and Savoisy, which passed to his widow Jeanne de Frolois following his early death in the 1320s. Geoffroi, as the third brother, seems to have been expected to fend for himself.