According to Chris Phillips (http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/cp/say.shtml), Alice de Chesney married the elder Geoffrey de Say (d. 1214) rather than his son, as previously believed. Please see the extensive notes regarding what the Complete Peerage Vol. 11 said about the Say family, and particularly these two Geoffreys, and what recent research has revealed: http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/cp/say.shtml

Volume 11, page 468: GEOFFREY DE SAY II, 2nd but 1st surv. s. and h. by 1st wife, was b. probably about 1155. In 1180 in the account of the farm of the Vicomté of Arques he is acquitted in respect of a liability of 10s "for the land of Geoffrey de Sai which he had with the wife of Hugh de Periers."(e) In the same year he was amerced at the Forest Assize in respect of Hudwic' & Dodinton' (Ditton Priors, Salop); and, again in 1180, with the consent of his wife, he delivered to the prior of Wenlock his manor of Ditton Priors, which was her dower from Hugh de Periers.(f) In 1190 Michael Belet accounted for 100li to have right against him of the inheritance of his wife and to have his office.(g) In 1198 he was bailiff of Arques.(h) Note e: Stapleton, Mag. Rot. Scacc. Norm., vol. i, pp. cxxiv, 90. Note f: Eyton, Shropshire, vol. iii, p. 332. Note g: Pipe Roll, 2 Ric. I, p. 102. Michael had m. Emma, sister of Alice de Chesney; see p. 470, note "f" below. Note h: Stapleton, op. cit., vol. ii, p. cxxix. It has been assumed that this entry and the entries as to lands in Normandy which follow relate to Geoffrey II. If so, it was probably the same Geoffrey who in 1184 owed 33li 12s for 4 measures of wheat which he had for provisioning the castle of Gisors (D'Anisy, Mém. de la Soc. des Antiquaires de Normandie, vol. viii, p. 361).

As Geoffrey was a younger son of parents who were married after 1175, he was probably born around 1180 (see correction to p. 467 above). The references above from the period 1180-1190, and presumably also the one from 1198, must relate to his father, Geoffrey I. Michael Belet's wife Emma was the sister of Geoffrey I's wife.

[Item last updated: 11 February 2003.]

Volume 11, page 470: He [Geoffrey de Say II (d. 1230)] m., 1stly, Alice, widow of Hugh DE PERIERS, and h. and possibly da. of John DE CHESNEY. He m., 2ndly, Margery, widow of (i) ... DE LA FERTÉ, (ii) Eudes DE DAMMARTIN (d.1225), sis. and coh. of Will. BRIWERRE, by whom he was divorced.

Alice de Chesney was the wife of Geoffrey I de Say, not Geoffrey II (see correction to p. 467 above). The identity of Geoffrey II's first wife, the mother of his son and heir William, is unknown. Geoffrey was married to his second wife Margery by November 1225 [the quindene of St Martin, Michaelmas Term 9-10 Henry III; Curia Regis Rolls, vol. 12, pp. 295, 302]. - - Some corrections and additions to the Complete Peerage: Volume 11

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Geoffrey de SAYE Lord of West Greenwich (1155-1230) [Pedigree] Son of Geoffrey de SAY (-1214) and Lettice MAMINOT

Magna Charta Surety, 1215 2nd wife was widow of a de la Ferte, 2nd of Eudes de Dammartin; died in 1225 and sister of William de Briwerre. b. ABT 1155 r. West Greenwich, Kent, Eng. d. BEF 26 Aug 1230, Poitou, France d. 24 Oct 1230, Poitou, France bur. Hosp. of St. Mary, Dover, Eng.

Married first Alice de CHEYNEY Children: William de SAYE Gov. of Rochester Castle (1212-1271) m(1) Sibyl MARSHAL

Married third Marjorie BRIWERRE (-1237)