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Nicknames: "van Vlaanderen", "de Flandres", "of Flanders", "von Flandern", "Ingelram", "Engelram", "Enguerrand", "Engleran", "Ingelramnus", "Enghelram", "Martel", "Harlebec", "Rowland", "Harlebeeke", "Forrester", "/Engleran/", "Enguerrand Engeleram", "ingelram //", "Engleram"
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Birthplace: Flandres, Nord, France
Death: Died in Flanders,,,France
Occupation: ENGVERRAND, Forester of Flanders, Count of flanders and Harlbec, Count, Gouverneur van Vlaanderen?, Comte, de Harlebeke, Forestier, Gouverneur, de Flandre, Duc, de Francie Maritime, Guvenör i Flandern
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About Ingelram "Lyderieson" van Vlaanderen

Son of Lideric.

[ENGUERRAND ([760/80]-825). The Genealogia Comitum Flandriæ Bertiniana, dated to the second decade of the 12th century, names "Ingelramnum" as son of "Lidricus Harlebeccensis comes"[23]. Lambert's Genealogia Comitum Flandriæ, also dated to the early 12th century, names "Ingelramnus comitem" as son of "Lidricus Harlebeccensis comes"[24]. The Chronica Monasterii Sancti Bertini names "Ingelramnum, militem probum et prudentem" as son of "miles…Liedricus" and his wife, noting that he succeeded his father in Flanders[25]. His wide birth date range shown above is estimated by working backwards from the estimated birth date range of his supposed grandson Count Baudouin I. The Cartulaire de Saint-Bertin records the death in 825 of "Engerranus Harlebecanus etiam saltuarius", naming him second in its list of rulers of Flanders (without the title count), although it does not specify that Lideric was his father[26]. Stewart Baldwin, in his detailed analysis of the alleged ancestors of Baudouin I Count of Flanders referred to above, suggests that there is confusion between this Count Enguerrand and the Count Enguerrand who is named in several different contemporary sources between 853 and 875[27]. The editor of the MGH Scriptores series suggests that the later references "cannot be other than to the son of Lideric"[28]. However, this is impossible chronologically, assuming that the genealogy as set out in this document is correct. The only likely possibilities appear to be either that the earlier Enguerrand did not exist at all or that there were two individuals with the same name. The later Enguerrand and his family are shown in the document CAROLINGIAN NOBILITY. m ---. The name and origin of the wife of Enguerrand are unknown. Enguerrand & his wife had one child]:

a) [ODACRE [Audacer/Odoscer] ([800/10]-837).

--http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FLANDERS,%20HAINAUT.htm

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http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FLANDERS,%20HAINAUT.htm#BaudouinIdied879B

[ENGUERRAND ([760/80]-825).

The Genealogia Comitum Flandriæ Bertiniana, dated to the second decade of the 12th century, names "Ingelramnum" as son of "Lidricus Harlebeccensis comes"[23].

Lambert's Genealogia Comitum Flandriæ, also dated to the early 12th century, names "Ingelramnus comitem" as son of "Lidricus Harlebeccensis comes"[24].

The Chronica Monasterii Sancti Bertini names "Ingelramnum, militem probum et prudentem" as son of "miles…Liedricus" and his wife, noting that he succeeded his father in Flanders[25]. His wide birth date range shown above is estimated by working backwards from the estimated birth date range of his supposed grandson Count Baudouin I. The Cartulaire de Saint-Bertin records the death in 825 of "Engerranus Harlebecanus etiam saltuarius", naming him second in its list of rulers of Flanders (without the title count), although it does not specify that Lideric was his father[26].

Stewart Baldwin, in his detailed analysis of the alleged ancestors of Baudouin I Count of Flanders referred to above, suggests that there is confusion between this Count Enguerrand and the Count Enguerrand who is named in several different contemporary sources between 853 and 875[27].

The editor of the MGH Scriptores series suggests that the later references "cannot be other than to the son of Lideric"[28]. However, this is impossible chronologically, assuming that the genealogy as set out in this document is correct. The only likely possibilities appear to be either that the earlier Enguerrand did not exist at all or that there were two individuals with the same name. The later Enguerrand and his family are shown in the document CAROLINGIAN NOBILITY.

m ---. The name and origin of the wife of Enguerrand are unknown. Enguerrand & his wife had one child]:

a) [ODACRE [Audacer/Odoscer] ([800/10]-837).

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Count of Flanders and Harlbec. Wife’s name, birth and death unknown. She bore him, among others, a son named Anacher (or Odoacer) de Flanders -------------------- Aliases:

Enguerrand Engelram

Title: Count of Flanders, Belgium, Netherlands --------------------

Sources

Annales de Flandre de P. d'Oudegherst: enrichies de notes ..., Volume 1 By Pierre d' Oudegherst

Rootsweb Ancestry.com

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Ingelram van Vlaanderen's Timeline

825
825
- 851
Age 45
Flanders,,,France
850
850
Age 45
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Count of, flanders, 802-824
780
780
- 806
Flandres, Nord, France
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Count of, flanders, 802-824