James Dunbar, 4th Earl of Moray

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James Dunbar

Birthdate:
Birthplace: Moray,Edinburgh,Midlothian,Scotland
Death: Died in Frendraught,Aberdeen,Scotland
Immediate Family:

Son of Thomas Dunbar, 2nd Earl of Moray and Margaret Dunbar (Ogilvy)
Husband of Isabel of Dunbar and Katherine Janet Dunbar
Father of Alexander Dunbar of Westfield; Janet Chricton; Elizabeth Dunbar, Countess of Moray and Janet Crichton (Dunbar)
Brother of Thomas Dunbar, 3rd Earl of Moray and Janet Fraser (Dunbar)

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About James Dunbar, 4th Earl of Moray

According to http://www.dunbardna.org/dnadunbarlineage.htm (whose main sources are quoted as: The Scots Peerage (Moray), Burke's Peerage 1934 (Dunbar of Mochrum), Burke's Peerage 1934 (Dunbar of Northfield), and Burke's Peerage 1934 (Hope-Dunbar)) [James Dunbar, 4th Earl of Moray James Dunbar] the 4th Earl was the son of Alexander Dunbar, who married Matilda/Maud Fraser, and was therefore the cousin of Thomas the 3rd Earl.

However, according to peerage.com (http://www.thepeerage.com/p10808.htm#i108074 , whose sources are Charles Mosley, Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 107th edition; and Alison Weir, Britain's Royal Family: A Complete Genealogy) James the 4th Earl and Thomas the 3rd Earl were brothers, the sons of Thomas the 2nd Earl.

The following websites have similar discussions:

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/2012-01/... - 4th Earl and 3rd Earl were brothers.

http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00370670&tre... (Ref: Scots Peerage VI:301 ) - 4th and 3rd Earl were cousins.

http://www.caledoniansocietyofneworleans.com/main_pgs/clans/c_hist/... - 4th and 3rd Earl were brothers (this also includes a section which, confusingly, uses different ordinals for the Earls where Thomas the 3rd is referred to as the 7th Earl, and James the 4th Earl is referred to as the 8th Earl !).

http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=john%... (Ref: Complete Peerage IX:176-7) says that the 4th Earl was "brother and heir", but (Ref: The Scots Peerage VI:304-306) also states that "James, fourth Earl of Moray, who is always stated to be the son of Alexander Dunbar and Matilda Fraser".

How do we resolve this data conflict? Posted by Shelia Tolbutt in this discussion. Logged on Medieval Scotland Scratchpad project for further perusal. [Sharon March 2013]

Conclusion: James the 4th Earl and Thomas the 3rd Earl were brothers (NOT cousins).

Please refer here for an excellent opinion on the relative merits of the various discussions above. All of them ultimately cite either Complete Peerage or Scots Peerage, both of which are 'competent compilations, but both are known to have many problems'. Alex Maxwell Findlater in SGM discusses the evidence and offers an explanation for the confusion, ie the occurrence of similar names in an earlier generation.

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James Dunbar, 4th Earl of Moray's Timeline

1399
1399
Moray,Edinburgh,Midlothian,Scotland
1405
1405
Age 6
Westfield, Morayshire, Scotland
1414
1414
Age 15
1416
1416
Age 17
Huntley, Aberdeenshire, Scotland
1425
1425
Age 26
Moray, Inverness-Shire, Scotland
1429
August 10, 1429
Age 30
Frendraught,Aberdeen,Scotland
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