Thomas Rose of Scituate

Anne Eames and Thomas Rose appears to have had four children:

(d) Thomas Rose (1630/1- ?) named in memory of his older brother who died in 1628 he was baptised in Fordington on 23 January 1630/1

• Not the same as Thomas Rose of Norwich
• Robert Rose, of Wethersfield & Branford did not have a son called Thomas

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First wife unknown. 2nd husband of Alice Hatch.

Biography

https://mathcs.clarku.edu/~djoyce/gen/report/rr29/rr29_157.html#P13...

Thomas Rose in Scituate, MA.73 Thomas died in Scituate, MA on 2 May 1710.52. The name of Thomas’s first wife is not known. He married second Alice (Hatch) Pickles, widow of Jonas Pickles. “Thomas Rose was in the Two mile 1660. He had also a brother John in Marshfield, ‘who died 1676, gunning on the beach, (Verdict) perished by the severity of the weather.’”53

Family

https://mathcs.clarku.edu/~djoyce/gen/report/rr07/rr07_029.html#P837

Bef 3 Oct 1665 Alice Hatch second married Thomas Rose in Scituate, MA.73 Thomas died in Scituate, MA on 2 May 1710.52

The name of Thomas’s first wife is not known. He married second Alice (Hatch) Pickles, widow of Jonas Pickles.

“Thomas Rose was in the Two mile 1660. He had also a brother John in Marshfield, ‘who died 1676, gunning on the beach, (Verdict) perished by the severity of the weather.’”53

The “Two Mile” was a portion of what is now Marshfield running for two miles along the North River and one mile inland. Early settlers of this small area include Thomas Rose, Richard Sylvester, Robert Sprout, and part of the Hatch family.

When he married the Widow Pickles he removed to her residence in Scituate, and made a covenant with the minor children of Jonas Pickles, ‘that if God give him children he will give his estate equally to those children, and to the children of Jonas Pickles.’42

For more infomation about Thomas Rose and his family, see Christine Roses’ article.73

Their children include:

• Thomas Rose (10 Sep 1666-)
• Patient Rose (31 Mar 1668-)
• Hannah Rose (23 May 1669-19 Jul 1724)
• Jeremiah Rose (ca 1675-23 Feb 1709/10)
• Jabez Rose (-23 Oct 1707)
• Mary Rose (ca 1674-)

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• HATCH, Alice
• b. SEP 1636 Tenterton, England
• Parents:
• Father: HATCH, Thomas
• Mother: Lydia,
• Family:
• Marriage: 23 DEC 1657 Scituate, Plymouth, Mass.
• Spouse: PICKLES, Jonas
• b. ABT 1635
• d. ABT 1665 Scituate, Plymouth, Mass.
• Children:
  • PICKLES, Jonas b. 5 FEB 1658/9 Scituate, Plymouth, Mass.
  • PICKLES, Mercy b. 28 DEC 1660 Scituate, Plymouth, Mass.
  • PICKLES, Nathan
  • PICKLES, Jonas b. 10 MAR 1663/4 Scituate, Plymouth, Mass.
  • PICKLES, Lydia b. 10 APR 1665 Scituate, Plymouth, Mass. d. DEC 1687
• Family:
• Marriage: DEC 1665 Scituate, Plymouth, Mass.
• Spouse: ROSE, Thomas
• b. ABT 1630
• Children:
  • ROSE, Thomas
  • ROSE, Patience b. 31 MAR 1668 Scituate, Plymouth, Mass.
  • ROSE, Hannah b. 23 MAY 1669 Scituate, Plymouth, Mass.
  • ROSE, Jeremiah
  • ROSE, Mary
• From: http://www.genealogyofnewengland.com/f_42.htm#74 ____________
• The New England historical and genealogical register, Volume 70 By Henry Fitz-Gilbert Waters, New England Historic Genealogical Society
• http://books.google.com/books?id=rAcivEotaG0C&pg=PA257&lpg=PA257&dq...
• Pg.256
• .... etc.
• 10. THOMAS HATCH (William, Thomas, John the Younger, Thomas, Thomas, John), of Wye, co. Kent, and Scituate, Mass., born, probably about 1596, died in New England before 14 June 1646, when his widow brought her daughter Hannah to be baptized.* He married, probably about 1622 LYDIA —— . He lived for a while at Wye, where in 1626 and 1628 two of his children were baptized. .... The date of his emigration to New England is not known; but he may have come with his brother William, on his second trip to New England, in the Castle, in 1638. He settled at Scituate, and was proposed as a freeman 5 Mar. 1638/9.
• His widow, Lydia, married secondly, abot 1654, John Spring of Watertown, Mass., but continued to live in Scituate. About her the Plymouth Colony Records, uner date of 6 Oct. 1659, have the following: "Conserning a certaine woman, viz", the wife of John Spring, of Watertowne, which was somtimes the wife of Thomas Hatch, of Scittuate, which said woman hath lived about three or foure yeares att Sicttuate from her husband, the Court have ordered, that shee either repaire to her husband with all convenient speed, or to repaire to Duxburrow to the house of Mr Alden, on the twentyeth of this p'sent month of Octobert, to give a reason why shee doth not; and incase shee shall refuse to attend this order, the Court will take a speedy course to send her to her said husband."† Evidently she satisfied the authorities as to her reasons for living apart from her husband, for in 1665 she was still living in Scituate, when, as Lydia Spring, she took oath to the statements which her son-in-law, Jonas Pickles, made to her as to his wishes regarding the disposition of his property after his death.
  • Children:
  • i. .... etc.
• Pg.257
  • v. ALICE, bapt. at Tenterden, co. Kent, 25 Sept. 1636; emigrated with her parents to New England; m. (1) at Scituate, 23 Dec. 1657, JONAS PICKLES, who d. between 15 Dec. 1664, when he made his nuncupative will, and 27 Sept. 1665, when his mother-in-law, Lydia ( —— ) (Hatch) Spring, took oath about the satements that he had made to her as to the disposition of his property; m. (2) at Scituate, in Dec. 1665, THOMAS ROOSE. Children by first husband, b. at Scituate: 1. Jonas, b. 5 Feb. 1658/9; d young. 2. Mercy, b. 28 Dec. 1660. 3. Nathan, b. 28 Jan. 1661/2. 4 Jonas, b. 10 Mar. 1663/4. 5. Lydia, b. 10 Apr. 1665. Children by second husband, b. at Scituate: 6. Thomas, b. 10 Sept. 1666. 7. Patient, b. 31 Mar. 1668/9 [sic]. 8 Hannah, b. 23 May 1669 [sic].
  • vi. .... etc. ____________________

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http://www.rosefamilyassociation.com/html/Rose-Family-DNA-Project.html

• GROUP HH
• THOMAS ROSE OF SCITUATE, MASSACHUSETTS
• A descendant of Thomas 1, Jeremiah 2, Gideon 3, Thomas 4 tested. Those below match.
• A descendant of Thomas 1, Jeremiah 2, Gideon 3, Jeremiah 4 matches the above.
• A descendant of Thomas 1, Jeremiah 2, Thomas 3, Thomas 4 matches the above.
• A surprise! A descendant of James Rose (m. Emma) c1800 of Comfort Cove, Newfoundland, through his son Stephen Rose (wife Mary Ann?) c1831 Twillingate, and the latter's son James (who m. Harriet) unexpectedly matches PERFECTLY in Group HH.
• A very surprising result!! A descendant of James Rose (w Dinah Bull) 1795 Dorset, England, f/o Thomas Rose (w Eliza Hutchings) 1819, is a definite match to Thomas Rose of Scituate, Mass. (our Group HH). Thus, finally, it would appear that the American group has a very good lead to the location of their English ancestors.

llinks

• https://archive.org/details/historyscituate01deangoog/page/n340/mod...
• http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~fordingtondorset/genealogy/Files/Tho...
• https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Rose-6794
• 73. Christine Rose, “Immigrant Thomas Rose of Scitate and Marshfield MAu,” The American Genealogist, 63 (1988): 96-101. link