Phebe Grundy Leete - Phebe Grundy Leete

Reg interestingly I'm having trouble finding "hard evidence.". The logic certainly is for Watertown, Massachusetts, ca 1643. Her parents do seem documentable but as you note, her Geni tree needs pruning and referencing.

Reasonable hints for documents seem best here:

http://genforum.genealogy.com/leete/messages/117.html

This was attached to an Ancestry tree:
Phebe Leete
Birth 1549 in Guildford, Surrey, England
Death 1589 in Ipswich, Suffolk, England

Louise can you post the link to the Ancestry tree? This seems like a previous generation (b date 1549 vs b date 1556)

http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/22057340/person/1859532647

But, here's another....conflicting info...
http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/15750484/person/20006082417

Here's another from LDS Family Search
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/M7TN-YSY

Let's see if we can find some actual records - NOT trees - and add to the profile as documents. There are "not great quality" records for marriage and death easily available. She died in Watertown, Massachusetts, 1653, married twice: to George Dalton & George Parkhurst (not John).

That helped. The Phebe Leet who married George Parkhurst was born 1589 in England, married him in 1612, and died in Watertown Mass. 1653. This fits with the narrative in his profile.

We have a Geni generational collapse in this profile.

I found a good child list for George Parkhurst & Phebe Leet (1589-1653) from a very good source: the New England Historical Register.

2d. That George Parkhurst had sons George, Benjamin and Joseph ; and besides a daughter Phebe Arnold, that the following were also his children: Deborah (Smith), Elizabeth (Hilliard, Merry), and Mary (Carter).

See here for full context:
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=buszi...

I've disconnected her from her extra husbands. Now we need to ensure her correct parents and children.

No documentation here, but another tree to refer to on the Parkhurst family.
http://www.josfamilygenealogy.com/Parkhurst/Welcome.html

Louise I think I finally found some good sources

This website
http://karetom.com/Leete.htm#PhebeLeete1585

And this roots web database

http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jacqu...

The LDS records must refer to an earlier Ipswich family? Anyway, the dates work out well here- and more importantly, these sites reference genealogical studies commissioned by the descendants a hundred or so years ago, AND NEGHS articles by professionals.

There's still a problem with Phebe's death date - we may need to go with a range based on when Parkhurst remarried.

There's a book - can't quite get it with google books. But here's the citation:

Bunnelle, Philip R. 1926-. New England Ancestry of Susan Alma Cook 1866-1934: Including Annotated Descent Charts for the Following Lines: Aldrich, Thomas Arnold, William Arnold, Ballou, Bowen, Burlingame, Chase, Comstock, Cook, Darling, Field, Fiske, Hudson, Knight, Paine, Sheldon, Staple, Thayer, Thompson, Wescott, Whipple, Williams-Carpenter. Santa Clara, Calif.: PB Press, 20001998.

http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=wu.89077169167

BTW to answer Reg's original question: did she died in England or New England?

I'd say "it's not on record" (as we're getting contradictory information - and George Parkhurst went back & forth).

When we understand the children better we might be able to make a reasoned guess. Louise's site mentions "he returned to England to help his wife & children) - but that could be the second batch.

Oh I do have a bit of an answer on Phebe's death date / place:

As to Ruth Dalton, wife of Rev. Timothy Dalton, from all the facts known to the writer it would seem that she was not a sister of George1 Parkhurst, but was more likely a sister of his first wife, Phebe (Leete).

No record of the first wife is found in America, though he again married, about 1643, Susanna, widow of John Simpson.

Citation: A Genealogy of the Descendants of Thomas Carter By: Howard Willston Carter This book contains the history and genealogy of the Thomas Carter family of Massachusetts.  Published by the author. Connecticut. 1909

http://archive.org/stream/cartergenealogyo01cart#page/16/mode/2up/s...+

The children of Phebe Leet & George Parkhurst were baptized from 1612 on in Ipswich, England; there should be LDS references from microfilm of those registers.

This link gives the names of Phebe's siblings, etc...
http://freepages.school-alumni.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~dearbornboutw...

A few more tidbits:
http://genforum.genealogy.com/leete/messages/117.html

Here's another Leete link that verifies more info.....sorta.
https://sites.google.com/site/leeteleetgenealogyna/home/leeteleet-b...

Erica will you be adding these links to their profiles for future references?

Yup but could use help! There's a lot of kids and straightening to do. Reg stumbled us into genuine Colonial American controversies. Did you want to stick with the Leetes? The Rev Timothy Dalton, married to Phebe's sister , Ruth, has a bunch of children in Geni - when apparently they had none. (Sigh)

I believe there is also a connection on the Dalton side to Martha's Vineyard..Merrie/Merry family. More to research. However, I'm winding down here tonight and going back to work on Wednesday. Once the situation is more resolved let me know and I can help add some of the links to those profiles.

By the way, it stated that Ruth and TImothy did not have any children that "survived" them...so they did have children but died before their parent's did.

That is very helpful Louise - as are you! Have a very happy New Year. I'll post back when the tree is in better shape (it is already thanks to you).

Glad to help...Happy New Year to you also!

Wonderful work. She's my 9th ggm. I haven't worked on this line so I'm thrilled with all the progress you made!

The Parkhurst children are "detailed" (including source citations in the overview based on http://www.parkhurstfamily.org/articles/george1.txt) and with the correct parents.

The Leete family http://the-eversdens.co.uk/leetefamily/leetesofeversden.html is ready for more work.

I'm STILL not sure where Phebe died! Even if her children were old enough to be on their own when George emigrated and make their own decisions, why would she have stayed behind in England and with whom?

So - I have her back to "probably Massachusetts.".

My 10th ggm :)

http://www.geni.com/path/Hatte+Anne+Blejer+Rubenstein+is+related+to...

Private User you have gotten to be a closer cousin since I figured out the parentage of my Snow X GGM.

Comment from Private User

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You may know that she is listed by Gary Boyd Roberts as having "speculative" royal descent, (RD of 600 immigrants, page lxxviii). He says she is "undoubtedly" related to Governor Leete of the Conn. colony and "may" have Staverton-Dabridgecourt descent, which is listed as royal--if connected to the right individuals. Currently prominent as an ancestral line of Meghan Markle.

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can more work can be done on really proving a royal line?