Robert de Croc - Robert de Croc's children

... Whose wife was Joan ....

http://db.poms.ac.uk/record/person/917/

http://db.poms.ac.uk/record/person/11266/

From https://books.google.com/books?pg=PA678&lpg=PA678&dq=Henry+...

Calendonia: Or, An Account, Historical and Topographic, of North Britain ... By George Chalmers. Page 677

The name of Carmunnock parish appears, in ancient charters, in the various forms of Cormanock, Carmanoch, Carmannock, and Curmanock. The name of this parish may, however, be derived, from the British Caermynach, or from the Gaelic, Caer-manoch, signifying the monks' fort: If Cor be regarded, as the true prefix of the name, it may be derived, from the British Cormynach, signifying the monks’ circle, or close; or from the Gaelic Cormanach, signifying the monks' corner, or the monks' pit. During the reign of William the Lion, the territory, or manor of Cormanock, was possessed by Henry, the son of Anselm, who took from it, the local appellation of Henry of Cormanock. He appears, as a witness to a number of charters of William the Lion, in which he is called, “Henricus de Cormanoc.” (c) Before the year 1189, Henry, the son of Anselm, for the salvation of the souls of his father, and mother, granted, in perpetual alms, to the abbot and monks of Paisley, the church of Cormanock, with half a carucate of land, in the same manor, and common of pasture, and all other easements; and he directed, that when he and his wife, Johanna, died, their bodies, with a third part of their goods, should go to the same monastery. (d)

(b) Ure's Rutherglen, 80-1.
(c) Chart. of Glasg. 35. 37.49; and so, in other charters.
(d) Chart. Paisley, 83.

Page 105 of Power and Identity in the Middle Ages: Essays in Memory of Rees Davies By Huw Pryce

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24. Henry's last documented appearance is in 1229 x 1232 (Kelso Lib., i, no. 280) ...

(long lived fellow ... Including of a 1st wife ?) ?)

Page 51 of The Abbey of Paisley, from Its Foundation Till Its Dissolution: With Notices ... By James Cameron Lees

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That rule, however beneficent and liberal in some respects, was very strict in others, and in nothing more than the manner in which it guarded the rights and privileges of the convent. A striking instance of this is given in the deeds of the house during the time of the Priory.^ Two followers of the Stewart—Bobert Croc and Henry de Nes—" special friends" of the house, "inspired by divine love," came to Boger the Prior and his chapter, asking leave to have churches in their castles,§ where religious service might be celebrated for themselves, || their families, and their guests. The first of these knights who had founded an hospital for the sick,

§ His castle was at the place called after him, Crocston. Part of this castle, built in the twelfth century, is still standing. See "The Tree of Crocston," by David Semple, F.S.A., pp. 13 and ...

was particularly desirous that religious offices should be performed by a duly qualified person in the hospital for their benefit. Their requests were at once granted, but only on condition that the chaplains should belong to the Monastery, that they should swear fidelity to the Convent, and bring all the offerings made at their chapels to the Mother Church. No parishioners were allowed to hear mass in the chapels, and when any of the brethren at the hospital, or their servants should die, their bodies were to be brought at once to Paisley without celebration of mass at the chapel. The Monastery would allow no interference with its privileges, and Robert Croc and Henry de Nes had to swear that it would suffer no damage from their pious intentions.

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And also on page 54

Walter, the generous founder of Paisley, died in 1178. In his old age he became a monk of Melrose, a convent which had shared his benefactions. He died there, but was buried at Paisley.* He had been a princely benefactor to the church, and the monkish chronicler who records his death, not unnaturally adds, "anima beata vixit in gloria "—his blessed soul lives in glory.

* Chronicon de Mailros.

Semple, David. 1876. The tree of Crocston: Being a refutation of the fables of the courtship of Queen Marie and Lord Darnley, at Crocston castle, under the yew tree ; and of the poet, Robert Burns, carving his name on the yew tree. Paisley: J. & J. Cook.

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The story of Crookston has been told time and again, but it will bear a brief repetition. It carries us back to the dim beginnings of Scottish history, to the days of Malcolm IV. when, among the Norman barons who accompanied Walter the High Steward (of whom we read in our Renfrew-Inchinnan ramble) to Scotland, was one Robert Croc. He seems to have got a grant of lands adjoining Paisley Abbey, and the castle built by him was named Crocs-toun, now Crookston. Among the witnesses to the foundation charter of Paisley Abbey is Robert de Croc. The Castle of Crocstoun “went with a lass,” it is said, to the Stewarts about 1300; by purchase to the first Duke of Montrose in 1702, whose son sold Darnley and Crookston in 1745 to Sir Walter Maxwell of Pollok. Tradition, shadowy and unsubstantiated by fact, whispers of Queen Mary and Darnley spending some of the happy days at the dawn of their married life at Crookston. Indeed, a coin of the hapless Queen’s reign is known among numismatists as “The Crookston Dollar,” because impressed upon it is a tree believed (wrongly) to represent the famous Crookston yew that flourished until 1816 just outside the moat a little to the east of the castle.

From page 100 of A History of the County of Renfrew from the Earliest Times By William Musham Metcalfe

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The Crocs of Crookston or Darnley, as they are indifferently styled, descended from Robert Croc, a follower of Walter Fitz Allan. Once he is called Robert Croc de Neilston, the lands of which belonged to him. He appears to have had three sons: Alan, Thomas, and Simon. The names of both father and sons occur in all about thirty times in the Register of the Paisley monastery.2 Robert witnessed the endowment charter of the Abbey and several charters by Alan, the son of Walter. Sometimes Robert and his son Alan are witnesses to the same charter. The name of Thomas often occurs alone of the family. Simon's name occurs but once, in 1225, where it immediately follows that of his brother Alan. ....

Robert, the third son of Walter II., High Steward of Scotland, married the daughter and heiress of Robert de Croc, lord of Crookston and Darnley, from which marriage came the Stewart family of Lennox. ...

From Page 32 of A History of the County of Renfrew from the Earliest Times By William Musham Metcalfe

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Margaret, daughter of Eschyna, is dead by 1177:

'See the Charter of Eschina of date 1177, Reg. de Pas., 74, where it is said, "and for the soul of Margaret, my daughter, who lies buried in the chapter house at Paisley."

(finally ! Dates!)

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And yet again, that Walter may have taken vows:

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The endowment of the monastery seems to have been regarded as the last thing requisite to complete the settlement of the county. Shortly after it had been arranged, the Steward felt that the work of his life was finished, and in 1176 retired from the world and became a monk at the monastery of Melrose, where, in the following year, he died. His career had been eminently successful. Coming north a landless knight, he died full of riches and honour. Besides the estates already referred to, he obtained possession, among others, of Kyle and Kyle Stewart in Ayrshire. He was buried in the monastery he had built and endowed, but no stone marks the place where his remains were interred.1

According to Lord Lindsay, writing in 1849 in Lives of the Lindsays, Eschina of London was the widow of Robert Croc, although he did not say where this information came from.

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Eschina of London, alias Echine de Molle, did enfeoff Robert of Croc in a small part of Mow, which passed to his daughter Isabel and her husband Robert of Pollock, and three charters which mention this holding have survived, but they do not provide any evidence of a marriage between Eschina and Robert. An abstract of these charters follow:

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'''Undated Charter. Possibly issued during the period 1214 X 1249: Charter by which Isabel, the wife of Robert of Polloc, of her own will, with the consent of her husband, and by the advice of her father Robert Croc, granted to Simon of Lindesey in perpetual ferme her maritage which she had in the territory of Molle, namely, Hungerig with all its pertinents, liberties, and easements, as it was given to her father by the lady China of Molle, for payment of ten shillings yearly in name of penalty to the said Simon or his deputies.

Melrose Liber: charter number 295 on pp. 260-61
https://archive.org/details/libersanctemari01innegoog/page/n367

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'''Undated Charter. Possibly issued during the period 1214 X 1249: Charter by which Adam of Hetune and Helen his wife sold to the monks of Melrose for ten pounds sterling their land of Hungerigge in the territory of Molle, and all right which they had or might have in the same, for payment yearly of ten shillings to Ysabel the daughter of Robert of Croc or her heirs, binding themselves, if they should be unable to warrant the lands to the monks, to repay them in full the money they had received, and promising to keep them free of all exactions till they should be fully seized in the land.

Melrose Liber: charter number 292 on pp. 257-8. https://archive.org/details/libersanctemari01innegoog/page/n364

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Undated Charter. Possibly issued during the period 1214 X 1249: Charter by which Richard of Heton, son of Master Adam of Heton, as hereditary proprietor of the lands, in right of his late mother, confirmed to the monks of Melrose the sale of Hungerig and Hollemedu by his late father and mother, which land they held of Robert of Pollock and his wife Ysabella. He also expressly renounced all claim on the lands for himself and his heirs.

Melrose Liber: charter number 294 on pp. 259-60 https://archive.org/details/libersanctemari01innegoog/page/n366