Count Manfred of Mosezzo, Sgr - Can anyone clarify the parents? 3 are listed

Here's what MedLands has to say about Manfred di Mosezzo, and it isn't much:

MAGINFREDO di Mosezzo (-[955/58]). Conte di Lovello. m firstly ---. The name of Maginfredo´s first wife is not known. m secondly as her first husband, GUNTILDA di Auriate, daughter of RUGGERO [II] Conte d´Auriate & his wife --- (-after 3 Sep 962). Her parentage and second marriage are confirmed by a charter dated 2 Sep 962 which records that "Hegelricus ex genere francorum" sold his share of property "in fundo Musicio et…fundo Vicolongo" {Mesozzo} to "Guntildæ filiæ quondam Rotgerii comitis et conjugis Amedei f. quondam Anscarii marchionis"[492]. The primary source which confirms her first marriage has not yet been identified. A charter dated 4 Sep 962 records the judgment issued by "Adalberti comitis Plumbiensis et Rolandi missi dominici" in a dispute between "Guntildam f. quondam Rotgerii comitis et conjugis Amedei vassi imperatoris" and "Egelrico filio Maginfredi comitis" relating to the sale of "castri Mosicii"[493]. She married secondly ([Apr 959/3 Sep 962]) Amedeo d´Ivrea. Maginfredo & his first wife had one child:

a) EGELRICO (-after 4 Sep 962). A charter dated 4 Sep 962 records the judgment issued by "Adalberti comitis Plumbiensis et Rolandi missi dominici" in a dispute between "Guntildam f. quondam Rotgerii comitis et conjugis Amedei vassi imperatoris" and "Egelrico filio Maginfredi comitis" relating to the sale of "castri Mosicii"[494].

He was not a count of Turin - that was Manfred son of Arduin the Bald, in the bottom half of the 10th century. (There were a lot of Manfreds in northern Italy, and it's easy to get them mixed up!)

Mosezzo, at this period, seems to have been horse-traded a bit: Egelric to his stepmother Guntilda, Guntilda to her second husband (Amadeus of Ivrea, possibly the same person as the precisely contemporaneous Amadeus of Savoy). It was inherited by their son Berengario - but Berengario's widow sold it off to the Church when she became a nun, and left her two children (another Berengario and another Guntilda) with nothing but the name (and, hopefully, some other inheritances to live on).

The whole "Manfred" question seems to be getting tangled up with the foundation of the House of Savoy - records are scanty and there is much guesswork.

I have also been unable to identify a "county of Lovello" in Northern Italy at this or any other period, and am wondering if we have to look over the border into the German states.

...Ah, here we are! The "V" should be an M, referring to Lomello in the province of Pavia in Lombardy.

Again, though, records this early are sketchy at best. :-(

WHAT a tangle. I keep getting dragged over the border into Swabia and Saxony. :-P

So to sum up the current situation:

Manfred (Maginfredo) of Mosezzo, Count of Lomello, had two wives. By his first, whose name we don't know, he had a son and heir named Egelric, and (perhaps) a daughter named Emilia, who married Arduino il Glabbro.

Manfred outlived his wife, and chose for his second Guntlina, daughter of Ruggero and *niece* of Arduino il Glabbro. She was certainly younger enough to be his daughter, and probably his granddaughter.

Manfred didn't have long to enjoy her, and got no (known) children off her. He died, and Guntlina took Amedeo d'Ivrea (whose half-uncle was Berengar II, King of Italy) as her second husband. The negotiations included Egelric selling off his share of Mosezzo to his stepmother Guntlina, and she conveying those properties to the son she had by Amedeo, one Berengario di Mosezza.

But Berengario died relatively young after siring only two children (another Berengario and another Guntlina), and his widow Christina became a nun and sold the Mosezzo properties to the Church. One has to wonder how the kids made out - presumably they had other family properties to live on.

Thanks Maven