Aucke Janse van Nuys - Recent discovery about Aucke Van Nuys' parents

Continuing:

"Then checking the marriage record of Auke's brother Goosen Jans van Nuys, I found that he had also come to Amsterdam from Nuis, Groningen, Nederlands, and had married the previous year. Goosen's marriage intention was recorded in Amsterdam on March 30, 1644.

Goosen Janss vande Nus goutdraettrecker woon inde Lelydwarstraet out 30 jaer, geassist~ met syn oom Benning Wyma & Susanna van Heck van A geasst~ met Susanna van Heck opde Bloemgracht
[signed] Gose Jans, Susanne van Heck
[Stadsarchief Amsterdam DTB 460, p.309]

Translation: Goosen Janss from the [village of] Nuis, drawer of gold threads, living in the Lelydwarstraet, age 30 years, assisted with his uncle Benning Wyma, & Susanna van Heck of A[msterdam], assisted with Susanna van Heck, [living] on the Bloemgracht.
[signed] Gose Jans, Susanne van Heck

Goosen's witness, Benning Wyma, was a very successful businessman. Originally a house carpenter, he was from Grootegast, a village near Nuis in the Dutch province of Groningen. Benning Wyma was noted in this marriage intention as being Goosen's uncle. Therefore either Jan van Nuys (Auke's and Goosen's father) had been married to a sister of Benning Wyma, or someone in an earlier generation from one of these two families had married someone from the other family. Or Benning Wyma's first wife's sister had married Auke and Goosen Jans van Nuys' father. The last possibility here is the most unlikely, since Benning Wyma's first wife (and mother of his children) was Meijke Asia, and the Asia name (a Dutch given name for males) does not come down as the name of a son of Auke or Goosen. In addition, Benning Wyma's brother Barent had for his marriage witness one Lammetje Goosens, called his 'moeye' (aunt) [SAA DTB 432, p.79], indicating that the Goosen ancestor connected in the generation previous to that of Benning Wyma and Jan Aukes, the Van Nuys brothers' father."

If I understand this explanation, the correct mother of Aucke (born c. 1612) is LAMMETJE GOOSENS (not Ebelken Hermans)

I missed this Discussion but actually just found the same website while looking for something else.

Erica Howton

This is an old discussion.

See https://www.geni.com/threads/6000000042801029340

If I remember well, the author, Ms. Johnson finally retracted of the many questionable assumptions she made when making this "new discovery".

The response from the author (via Michael) was that Auke's mother is unknown, that is not her retracting anything.

Private User i do not think that you can conclude Lemmetje Goosens is Aucke's mother, reading the above she would i think be one generation older.

Benning is Aucke's uncle so if Barent is Bennings brother that makes Benning Aucke's uncle also (there are variations where technically this would not be true but in a general sense it works). So if Lammetje is Barent's aunt then she can't also be Aucke's mother.

I am assuming here that Benning and Barent are maternal uncles. If Lammetje was Aucke's mother that would make her Barent's sister not his aunt.

Side note: i think Wyma/Wijma is a surname rather than a patronym.

Aside from the name Wyma i have found two instances where Benning uses a different name, 1x Jeus and 1x Jorisz, i think that this is an indication that Benning's father is named Joris Wyma but at this point whether Wyma in his case is a surname or a patronym is unknowable.

One piece of supporting evidence for my opinion is that Benning's children use the name Wyma in conjunction with Bennings, obviously Bennings is their patronym so that makes sense but the use of the name Wyma cannot be a patronym for them so must be a family name in their generation. It is possible that the transition from patronym to family name is when Benning moves from Groningen to Amsterdam but the hint that Benning's patronym is actually Jorisz suggests otherwise.

To me this is important because it supports the supposition that Benning is a MATERNAL uncle of Aucke and Goosen, otherwise why would they not use the family name of Wyma if it is already established within their family? The use of van Nuis as a family name by Goosen and Aucke to me says that prior to leaving Gronigen the two men did not have a family name, in a small village their Jansz patronym was sufficient, so they are related but not a part of the Wyma family.

Further, while i do not know the source of the claim, if Benning is from Grootegast (which is indeed "near" Nuis) then it does not appear that the brothers Aucke and Goosen are from the same village.

Something which does not gel is the wording of Aucke’s banns, “assisted with his brother Goosen Jans, to bring in his mother's legal consent”. There are several implications from this:
a) why would she not give permission in person? Presumably their mother is not living in Amsterdam.
b) Why specifically their “mother” rather than their “parents”? Presumably their father is deceased.

Or is the father present at the wedding so no one needs to “bring his consent”, but if so why would he not represent his wife rather than Goosen doing it?
I suppose it is possible that their father is alive but unable to give permission… perhaps away with the VOC? If indeed he is deceased then that destroys the theory that the witness at Aucke’s son’s baptism , Jan Auckes, is the father of Aucke Jansz.

Goosen Jansz van Nuys
Benning Wyma

Thanks for all this. I appreciate your determination with this topic.
I'm at a bit of a loss as I'm not as well versed in many aspects of this research.

I have started a new discussion with a more relevant title, perhaps it will not engage more users at present but in the future it might be more obvious a space for this debate:

https://www.geni.com/discussions/161395