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Started by Sharon Doubell on Tuesday, September 20, 2016
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9/20/2016 at 5:39 AM

Project updated to define SM/Progs as only the eldest biological female settler.

Private User
8/27/2021 at 10:09 PM

So now also the indigenous SM ?

8/28/2021 at 1:04 AM

4 years later :-)
Yes, definitely - although they will just be the oldest women we have records of.

I seem to recall that the point of this, though, was that SM and Female PROG do not always coincide.

Private User
8/28/2021 at 1:14 AM

Yes to both.
Your ancestor?

8/28/2021 at 1:35 AM

Who?

Private User
8/28/2021 at 1:49 AM

Eva Kratoa ?

Private User
8/28/2021 at 1:50 AM
Private User
8/28/2021 at 2:08 AM
Private User
8/28/2021 at 2:11 AM
8/28/2021 at 9:59 AM

This Discussion was linked to the 'South African female Progenitors /Stammoeders' project.

Yes Eva Krotoa is my gr granny, but there wasn't an immediately obvious connection to this Discussion.

8/28/2021 at 10:01 AM

What does that strange and awful pic have to do with this discussion, Phillipp?

Private User
8/28/2021 at 11:58 AM

Old woman -- title of painting

Private User
8/28/2021 at 12:04 PM

Eva and others born in SA as SM or SM/ Prog not just settlers.
Should they also be SM/Prog or only as on top

Eldest biological female settler ?

Oldest women we have on project ?

Eva changed from SM/Prog to only SM.

Private User
8/28/2021 at 12:19 PM

To put slave ancestors in a separate project so quickly becomes separate but equal.
I believe that they are owed equal status to any "eldest biological female settler "

They belong here with full recognition as our Progenitors or Stammoeders / SM

8/29/2021 at 12:25 AM

Hmm - I see.
Eva isn't an SM because there aren't any V Meerhof / VdKaap/Everts grandchildren.

I'll restore her to PROG.

Your point about the slave ancestors is a good one. If you find any with descent lines that haven't been added here - please yell and I'll fix.

8/29/2021 at 12:40 AM

There seem to be a couple of attached profile designators that need a re-work:

eg Christina van de Caab, SM/Prog is not the SM of male children's surname descent line.
If she has grandchildren - which I think she does- then she is a PROG only.

8/29/2021 at 12:43 AM

Eva van de Kaap shouldn't be attached to this project at all until we find a descent line.

8/29/2021 at 12:52 AM

With only a daughter, Jannetjie Marretje van de Kaap is a PROG, not an SM of a surname line.

8/29/2021 at 12:52 AM
8/29/2021 at 12:55 AM

Cornelia Pieterze van de Caab, SM should be a PROG as well, unless we decide that her vdCaab surname is a clear indicator that she has a mother who is the PROG?

8/29/2021 at 12:56 AM

Without a descent line Louisa van de Caap, SM shouldn't be attached to this project or have any suffix at all.

8/29/2021 at 1:01 AM

So one mutual decision that needs to be made is whether a vdKaap surname can be designated a PROG - when it pretty much tells us that there is a NN slave mother who was actually the PROG.

I'd say yes, to avoid NN PROGS.

Private User
8/29/2021 at 1:27 AM

Not necessarily a slave mother .
Was EVA a slave ?

8/29/2021 at 4:37 AM

Eva Kratoa? No. I take your point > she has vdCaab children.

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