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South African mtDNA N1a (French Huguenot)

Started by Private User on Saturday, July 14, 2018

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Suzanne Taillefert, SM/PROG

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J P Weyers

12/31/2021 at 12:07 AM

Some more links re mtdna N1a

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2964711/

Sequences from another N1a1a2 subcluster related to farmer HAL2 haplotype were observed in Denmark, Poland, Scotland, Norway, Switzerland, France, Portugal, Hungary, Austria, and Volga-Ural region [3,19-22]

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Distribution-of-mtDNA-N1a-haplo...

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/nmtdna?iframe=mtresults

J P Weyers

12/31/2021 at 12:08 AM

N23860 Elisabeth GAHIDE, ca 1655, Orchies,59, FRANCE France N1a

Sharon Doubell Away Having an Op C

12/31/2021 at 12:25 AM

Results
The geographic origin and expansion of farmer lineages related N1a subclades have been deduced from combined analysis of 19 complete sequences with 166 N1a haplotypes. The phylogeographic analysis revealed that the central European farmer lineages have originated from different sources: from eastern Europe, local central Europe, and from the Near East via southern Europe.

Conclusions
The results obtained emphasize that the arrival of central European farmer lineages did not occur via a single demic diffusion event from the Near East at the onset of the Neolithic spread of agriculture into Europe. Indeed these results indicate that the Neolithic transition process was more complex in central Europe and possibly the farmer N1a lineages were a result of a 'leapfrog' colonization process.'

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2964711/

J P Weyers

12/31/2021 at 12:30 AM

Wikipedia a bit outdated it seems.

Sharon Doubell Away Having an Op C

12/31/2021 at 12:31 AM

Jan Marthinus Blomerus, b2..h1 thanks for finding Private User - Very useful. Can you add her to the MtDNA project?

Sharon Doubell Away Having an Op C

12/31/2021 at 12:34 AM

It does. So I think we must agree that the N1a MtDNA doesn't necessarily point to another Arabian woman who should replace the French Huguenot women?

J P Weyers

12/31/2021 at 7:52 AM

Also good with this information the ancestry becomes more substantiated.
The mtdna linked to where these two ladies came from.

J P Weyers

12/31/2021 at 8:10 AM

Unless the mtdna proves to be the Arabian branch .
N1a just the first branch.
Need more / further subclades to confirm where from exactly.
Might even be two completely different N1a branches.
Not confirmed yet.

J P Weyers

12/31/2021 at 9:01 PM

As most us know by now a large number of our ancestors in SA came from the shores of the Indian Ocean.
So very likely a fenale ancestor could be from Arabia
Also that not all the Huguenots were French.
Suzanne de Vos mother more likely Flemish or Dutch not French.
So we might the replace the French Huguenot ancestor with a Flemish ancestor .
Even the British German Legion soldiers that came to SA were not all German -- there were Begian , French ,Swiss ,Italian and even Poles amongst them.

Sharon Doubell Away Having an Op C

12/31/2021 at 9:13 PM

Good points

J P Weyers

12/31/2021 at 9:13 PM

Seems we will just have to accept our ancestor not an Arabian Princess or a French femme fatale sipping wine from Paris or La Rochelle but just a Hollandse meisje wearing klompe

J P Weyers

12/31/2021 at 9:16 PM

Talitha Kumi ( Greyling ) Courtney the only person on project she started it and only collaborator there. So no need to add her.

J P Weyers

12/31/2021 at 9:34 PM

Sharon and Drummond the mtdna N1a project needs a curator as a collaborator .Also would help to add our discoveries to the project to help with confusion of origin of N1a.
Again I discovered that Wikipedia a good first source but often needs updating and to be expanded. Bothers me that many other instances where one would not know that Wikipedia is really not infallible.

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