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I’m contacting you regarding the information status of Jozef (Joseph) Johannes Nieman, need help please, find attached: I have found JJ Niemand's Information of Death, Marriage register and gravestone, and confirmed thus that he was married to Anna Jacoba Maria (Coetzee) as I was not 100% convinced it was her, as at the date of their marriage 02 Nov 1925 he was 41 thus this meant he was born 1884, not 1881 as per baptism register
https://www.familysearch.org/.../3:1:3Q9M-C953-Q984-V...
So, on here all accounts confirm he was definitely born on 25 Dec 1883 and died 8 December 1947.
https://www.familysearch.org/.../3:1:3Q9M-C9BY-BWW2-P...
https://www.familysearch.org/.../61903/3:1:3QS7-99QG-BNLM...
http://www.graves-at-eggsa.org/main.php?g2_itemId=2818553
But on the baptism linked to his parents (in all websites and search sites) as WA Niemand and MJ Du Plessis as per the baptism record.
Birth: 7 December 1881
Baptism: 15 January 1882
Winburg, Orange Free State, South Africa
Father: Willem Adriaan Nieman
Mother: Maria Hendrina Du Plessis
It is thus my finding that this info is incorrect to link him with above parents, as this is not the same person.
As JJ Niemand and AJM Coetzee are definitively my grandparents, I would like to connect them correctly with the Niemand Ancestry if you can help, please.
Regards
Belinda Van Zyl (Nee Nieman)
Ansu en Belinda. Johan Niemann is 'n hoogs bekwame navorser maar ons almal maak mos maar foto. Baie van die vroeër doop sertifkate is a..g.v. die koster se ongeleesenheid verkeerd ngevul en dit is dus baie goed dat Belinda verskillende bronne raaadpleeg. John is nie bai eaktief op Geni nie maar ek sal hom in my persoonlike heodanigheid met die vraag kontak as dit sal help.
Hoop julle is beide wel Afrikaans
Groete
Judi
Huwelik. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99QG-BNLM?i=420&am...
Ansu Boyd en Private User volgens die huwelik is beide 1ste huwelke en die ouderdom van die man 41 soos Belinda gesê het. Afgetrek van 1925 is wel 19884 maar kan net sowel 1883 wees. Dus sou ek 1883 as die korrekte geboortedatum beskou. Tensy ons dus andr bronne kan bekom danmoet ons aanvaar Johan J Niemand se data hierbo is korrek.
Belinda ek hoop dit help en sal baie graag vir jou wil help met die korrekte lyn na jou grootouers. Ek merk op die dooprekord die pleegouers ( getuies) is 'n NOoi Jacobs en ook 'n man met dieselfde name. Dus kan daar dalk ander ook wees. Soos maar altyd in ons SA naamgewing gebeur.
Hoor graag van jou.
Judi
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9BY-BWW2-P?i=1272
http://www.graves-at-eggsa.org/main.php?g2_itemId=2818553
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C953-Q984-V?i=11&a...
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99QG-BNLM?i=420&am...
Ansu, Yes I do agree with you that JJ is their son, what I'm saying is that in the other records he is clearly born in 1883 whereas the baptism is definitely 1881. That's my puzzlement, as my dad and his siblings were obviously named after both their parents, parents.
Judith die sk no 483/47 behoort aan iemand anders, alhoewel ek verneem daar is n DN wat Du Plessis as sy ma veroem, maar kry hom nie.
Dankie
Private User kyk net ek het die SK geplaas. Dit is TAB MHG 95/1948. Daarvolgens is dit sy ouers enook sy vrou Anna Jacoba Maria COETZEE en sy geboorte dan as 1881.
Lekker deurmekaar die name en vanne wat almal so dieselfde is.
Dankie ook dat jy die URL's weer geplaas het. Ek het ook vir Johan J Niemand gekontak en sal maar wag vir hopelik 'n antwoord.
Judi
Hi Belinda, it would appear you have done sufficient research to flag up an obvious error. Of course we dont know about second marriages and can only work with the ’proofs ’available.
I cannot provide you with more information but think you should make the changes necessary and leave a note on the reasons why so if further info comes up someone can review at a later date.
If there are any difficulties then either you or i could contact John Sparkman who will assist .
Please let me know if there is anything more i can assist with.
Its good to see people working on facts rather than being lazy genealogists after populating the tree with guess work. Thanks
Kevin
Belinda, SAG is incorrect. Go and look at the profile of Johann Nieman (stamvader) and you will see the research done on this topic.
Judi, Belinda het my ook gekontak oor die probleem, en ek is nog besig om te kyk daarna, maar ek dink die probleem is dat sy kyk haar vas teen sy geboortedatum op sy huweliks register, waar ek vermoed dat die optekenaar 'n fout begaan het met die berekening van die bruidegom se geboortedatum.
As ek so vinnig kyk, dan is dit die inligting soos wat ek dit het.
Name:Jozef Johannes aka Joseph Johannes (Joppie)Nieman
Birth:10 Nov 1881 - Theunissen According to Gravestone, and Grandsons info.
Bap:4 Des 1881 - Winburg (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2HG-JRSP
Marr:? Winburg:
Death:15 Des 1968 - Bloemfontein According to Gravestone, and Grandsons info. https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2Y8-BGJ3:
Wife:Jacoba Catharina Johanna De Jager:
Father:Sybrand Jacobus Nieman:
Mother:Hester Petronella Magdalena Wilken:
Name:Jozef Johannes Niemann
Birth:7 Des 1881 - Winburg
Bap:15 Jan 1882 - Winburg https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2HG-J1KY
Marr:1925/11/02 - Ventersburg
Death:8 Des 1947 - Brakpan
Wife:Anna Jacoba Maria Coetzee
Father:Willem Adriaan Niemann
Mother:Maria Hendrika Du Plessis
Groetnis
Daar is nog 'n Joseph Johannes Nieman woonagtig op die plaas Smaldeel, Winburg distrik gelys in die Norvals Point konsentrasie kamp rekords. Gee sy moeder aan as Esther P Nieman met susters en jonger broer.
https://www2.lib.uct.ac.za/mss/bccd/obccd/pub_view.php?pg=person&am...
Weet iemand waar hy inpas?
Private User Dankie JOhan. Ek los eers vir jou. Iemand het 'n ouerpaar delete en my laat weet hy het. Andre. AS hy het is dit groot regmaak weer. Ek stem heeltemal met jou saam soos my "links" bo ook sê. Ek het gister gelaai en probeer MP maak sover ek kon.
Ek wag egter op jou verdere antwoorde.
E-pos gerus na judimeyer@mweb.co.za en ek werk eers daar saam en dan op Legacy en sluit dan hier waar nodig. Ook relationships om sulkefoue uit te skakel.
Mooi dag en baie groete
Judi