Erasmus Schmidt, SV/PROG 2 - Alternative Data After Merges

Started by Sharon Doubell on Friday, June 19, 2020
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6/19/2020 at 8:03 AM

Birth Date 1697 c. 1695
Birth Location Holstein, Sontra, Kassel, Hesse, Germany Schleswig-Holstein, Germany
Death Date 6 May 1787 before July 10, 1771

6/20/2020 at 12:15 PM

With reference to his birth date and birth location I can not add more than what is presently available through the work of Hoge's Personalia, Delia Robertson and what appears in DeV/P, i.e. c 1695 and Holstein, respectively.

But concerning date of death, I would submit the following reference:

DEATH of Erasmus Schmidt - Parish registers for the Dutch Reformed Church at Swartland, Cape Province
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSKD-F3JK
Film # 008147788, Image 430, Folio 7.

Therein the death of Erasmus Smit de oude is recorded during "dit jaar" 1771 and it could even have have been between 18 June and 15 July, but while the latter is pure guess work, it removes 1787 as the year of his demise.
Have a pleasant and safe weekend!

6/20/2020 at 12:35 PM

Thank you - I'll update accordingly.

6/20/2020 at 12:42 PM

Have also locked the data.

8/14/2020 at 11:12 PM

Karl Friedrich Smit says about Erasmus Schmidt, SV/PROG

I have attached a source regarding Erasmus Smit's employ by the VOC on 19 September 1693. He would have to be at least 13 to be employed as a ship's boy, but more likely at least 18 years old. This would place his date of birth between 1674 - 1680 and not 1695. This would also create problems for the birth year of his father (Schmidt?) in 1667. Smit was quite a common family name in Germany in the 1600's.

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8/15/2020 at 12:48 AM

Also 97 years old when he died 1771 ? Possible but unlikely .
Maybe a father and son here same names , father born 1674 son born 1695 but over time became one person and welded together by de Hooge .

8/15/2020 at 3:17 AM

I will correct on profile when we decide how it should be corrected.

8/15/2020 at 7:35 AM

Karl says: Apologies all. It seems that the Erasmus Smit employed by the VOC on 19 September 1693, passed away and was buried on the 27 September 1693. Clearly not the Erasmus Smit who landed at the Cape in 1717.
Ref: https://www.openarch.nl/saa:4f932c62-8068-472b-a4fb-2a007d12f5b4
https://www.openarch.nl/saa:9de1522f-08b0-4841-861b-00f5b8cc43eb

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8/15/2020 at 8:24 AM

The Inventories of the Orphan Chamber of the Cape of Good Hope, Ref: MOOC8 14.15. evidently sate that Erasmus Smit died before 10 July 1771. He arrived in the Cape in 1717 . His son also Erasmus Smit was born in 1742. It was he who passed away on 6 May 1787.
Hope that helps

8/15/2020 at 11:11 AM
8/15/2020 at 11:16 AM

Should I remove his birth date altogether?

8/15/2020 at 11:22 AM

http://www.e-family.co.za/ffy/g12/p12967.htm cites C.C. de Villiers & C. Pama, Geslagregisters van ou Kaapse Families III S-Z (Cape Town / Amsterdam: A.A. Balkema, 1966), p.896. Hereinafter cited as Geslagregisters van ou Kaapse Families III S-K. for the 1695 date

8/15/2020 at 11:23 AM

I'm inclined to leave it.

8/15/2020 at 11:10 PM

:-) :-)

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8/16/2020 at 2:45 AM

Strange coincidence : 2 sons Johannes Erasmus Smit and Johan Erasmus Smit both died 1788 , both Married a Rachel Jordaan both had a daughter Anna Smit born 1761 died 1842

8/16/2020 at 10:17 AM

? That's not a coincidence. Smerge somewhere, perhaps?

Private User
8/16/2020 at 9:29 PM

similar merged -- sorted .

8/17/2020 at 9:22 AM

Thank you

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