Lt General (twin) James Howe - Parentage

Started by Tamás Flinn Caldwell-Gilbert on Thursday, July 9, 2020
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Lt. General James Howe of Pulaski, Virginia is not the son of Lt.-Gen. Emanuel Scrope Howe and Lady Ruperta Howe, Lady Howe. They did have a son named James Howe, but he died unmarried before 6 April 1728 and was burried in England. http://www.thepeerage.com/p9658.htm#i96577 and http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=517173.27

I have cut the erroneous relationship and locked the relationships for the profiles involved. Do any of the profile managers have some sources for Joseph Howe that could shed some light on his origins?
Thanks,
Tamas Caldwell-Gilbert

I see that the birth date of 25 July 1704 and the twin notation should belong to James Howe, the son of Emanuel and Ruperta.

Here is the Visitation of England and Wales, Volume 13; Volume 1919, page 105, which says that James Howe, son of Emanuel and Ruperta, "died young." https://books.google.com/books?id=m-zx7FWMnRQC&pg=PA105&lpg...

A further comment, it was Emanuel Howe that died young - I believe Crisp's entry is in error. James Howe died in 1728.

Looks like the James Howe connection snuck back onto Geni. I have disconnected and locked the relationships for the profiles involved.

Do we have sources for the Virginian Lt. General James Howe's birth and death dates?

UK and Ireland, Find a Grave® Index, 1300s-Current
Birth, Marriage & Death
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Name James Howe
Birth 25 July 1704 New
Death 3 April 1728 New
Burial Binsted, East Hampshire District, Hampshire, England New
Father Emanuel Scrope Howe
Mother Ruperta Howe

U.S., Sons of the American Revolution Membership Applications, 1889-1970
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Name Joseph Howe
Birth England New
Spouse Ellen Dunbar New
Children Daniel Howe

U.S., Revolutionary War Rolls, 1775-1783
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Name Joseph Howe
Military Virginia, USA New

Annals of Southwest Virginia, 1769-1800
mentions Joseph Howe and Joseph How.

CHAPTER VTHE HOWES

The name of Howe is frequently linked with that of Hoge in the Southwest Virginia branch and the genealogy of the two is so related as to result in the Southwest Virginia Hoges being really more Howe than Hoge.

Governor Tyler, in writing of the wife of James Hoge, the progenitor of the Southwest Virginia Hoges, refers to her father, Joseph Howe, as first cousin of Lord Howe. That may be correct. There is, also, a tradition, which all writers have discredited, that Joseph Howe was a member of a family which had settled in Massachusetts and which there at an early time spelled its name "how" and which later added the "e," spelling it then as it appears at the time this history begins.

There is another version of the ancestry of Joseph Howe, and it seems to be the correct one – certainly as to the lineage if not as to the exact relationship. It serves to substantiate the connection of Joseph Howe with the Howes of the Anglo-Irish peerage and to declare the degree of kinship even if it does not establish it.

A note in the scrap book of Mary B. Luster, a niece of Eleanor Howe Hoge and a great-granddaughter of Joseph Howe, is one authority for this other version – that Joseph Howe was a brother of Lord Howe. The story from that note is that while quite a youth he ran away from England to join his brother, Lord George Augustus Howe, 3rd Viscount, who at that time was one of the English officers fighting in the French and Indian War. He arrived in America about the time that Lord Howe was killed at the Battle of Ticonderoga, and finding his brother dead, he drifted southward and finally settled at what came to be known as "Sunnyside," in Pulaski County, Virginia.

England, Select Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991
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Name James HOWE
Spouse Rebecca

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