Dorcas Youell (Ewell) Spence - Is it possible her parents are not Captain Thomas Cozen Youell and Ann?

Started by dale scott on Wednesday, November 11, 2020
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11/11/2020 at 3:10 PM

I found the following, which is now a dead link.
"http://home.comcast.net/~rubymc/spence.htm
Before you proceed,let me explain why Dorcas - the wife of Patrick Spence Sr. - is NOT the daughter of Capt. Thomas Youell. The will of Thomas Youell(abstract) states will dated 7 Dec 1694 and proved May 1695 and mentions grandsons Youell English, Youell Watts and Thomas Spence; daughter Ann Watts; John Atwell; daughter Spence; dau. Winifred English. Thomas Sturman had a daughter, Ann, who married Capt. Thomas Youell. Their son, Thomas Youell married Anna Lee. This son, Thomas Youell is the one who made the will in 1694. His daughter,Penelope m/1: Patrick Spence (the s/o Patrick Spence Sr. and Dorcas ___). Penelope's sister Winnifred m. Walter English and had a son Youell and sister Ann m/1: William Watts who had a son Youell Watts."

I think I found this supposed will at https://freepages.rootsweb.com/~janet/genealogy/Youell.html
"Pages 22a-23. Will of Thomas Youell of the Parish of Cople in the County of Westmoreland in Virginia, Gentleman, being sick and weak of body, dated 7 Dec. 1694. To my dear and loving wife Anna all my personal estate of what nature and quality soever, as servants, slaves, horses, cattle, sheep, hoggs, houshold stuff and all utensils, during her natural life. My said wife Anna all that tract whereon I now lives during her natural life, by estimation 950 acres. After her death the said land to my grandson Youell English, Youell Watts and their heirs. Two thirds of the personal estate to my three grandchildren Youel Watts, Youel English and Thomas Spence, after the death of my wife. To my grandson Youell Watts the occupation of any part of that land whereon my daughter Watts now liveth excepting what shall be laid out for my daughter's thirds. I will that he seat himself thereon at the age of 18 years and not before, all which I give my grandson Youell Watts forever after the death of my said daughter Ann Watts and not before. To my grandson Thomas Spence one moiety of the land I bought of Stradder [?], to possess at the age of 18 years and not before, the other half having formerly been made over in the fee simple of it to my daughter Spence in Westmoreland Court. My loving wife executrix. Signed by Thomas Youell. Wit: John Gray, Richard Martaine, James Ellis.
Codicil, 1 Jan 1694/5. Unto John Attwell the benefit of the escheat of B land. Unto my daughter Winefred all my plantation whereon Edward William now liveth containing 180 acres, for her life and after her decease to Youell English her son. Unto my said daughter Winefred five ewes and five lambs and the unto my three grandchildren Youell Watts, Youell English and Thomas Spence their parts of the two thirds part of my personal estate as they shall attain to their several ages of 18 years. Signed by Thomas Youell. Wit: Richard Martaine, John Gray, James Ellis. 29 May 1695 Will of Capt. Thomas Youell proved by Mr. James Ellis and John Gray. Probate granted to Madam Ann Youell. "
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The above Thomas Youell died well after Captain Thomas Youell. The above will does not mention Dorcas. Is there another will or other evidence that supports Dorcas being the daughter of Captain Thomas Cozen Youell and Ann?

11/12/2020 at 2:57 PM

This post states Dorcas was born before Thomas and Ann Youell and can't be their daughter. Claims the relationship was
printed in "Genealogies of Virginia Families" and later retracted.
Is this right or wrong?

https://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/yowell/347/
Thomas Youell II and Ann Lee did NOT have a daughter named Dorcas who married Patrick Spence Sr. In addition to the reasons stated by Darlene Block, it is physically impossible for Dorcas (--) Spence to have been the Youells' daughter, since she was born BEFORE either of the Youells. Dorcas was giving birth to her first child with a known birthdate when the Youells were both just about 7 years old! I'd say that's a little young to become grandparents! It CAN be proven quite easily that the Youells had a daughter, Penelope, who married Patrick Spence Jr., which also proves that Dorcas (--) Spence could not have been the Youells' daughter -- if she was, that would mean that Patrick Spence Jr. married his own aunt, which was not legal (although first cousin marriages were).

Unfortunately, the error stating that Dorcas (--) Spence was a Youell was printed in "Genealogies of Virginia Families" (GVF), and has been continually picked up by researchers over the years. GVF printed a retraction pointing out the error, but it appears in a different volume, and is often overlooked.

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