Óengus mac Meicc Eircc, King of Munster - Was he really King of Munster?

Started by Lynn Thompson on Tuesday, August 24, 2021
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Wikipedia has a list of the Kings of Munster, and from his time, the king listed is "Óengus mac Nad Froích". That is a different person than Óengus mac Meicc Eircc. They may have shared the same first name, but they had different fathers, and are thus different people.

I don't have the answer, Lynn, but can only offer what to me seems like a pretty good source for a profile completely lacking in sources or documentation. It has two volumes, so I link both of them here. I did try to find the answer but failed, and I'm probably not the best one for the job.

"Irish Pedigrees; or, The Origin and Stem of the Irish Nation" by John O'Hart, John (1915)

https://archive.org/details/irishpedigreesor011915ohar/page/n7/mode...

https://archive.org/details/irishpedigreesor02inohar/page/n5/mode/2up

In volume 1, p. 554:

"Eithne Uathach, wife of Aongus MacNadfraech, King of Munster."

So I would agree (assuming the chronology is correct) that she is attached to the wrong husband on Geni. I'm not absolutely certain, but maybe this will help point us in the right direction.

More information about Eithne Uathach and Aongus MacNadfraech, King of Munster, on page 70 of the text.

https://archive.org/details/irishpedigreesor011915ohar/page/70/mode...

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Googling "Óengus mac Meicc Eircc" led me directly to Óengus mac Nad Froích on Wikipedia, where it states: "He was the son of Nad Froich mac Cuirc by Faochan, a British lady (called daughter of the King of Britain).

I think this "Nad Froich mac Cuirc" is actually our 'Óengus mac Nad Froích'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%93engus_mac_Nad_Fro%C3%ADch

References

Notes

1. all dates per The Chronology of the Irish Annals, Daniel P. McCarthy

2. O'Keeffe, Book of Munster

3.G.Keating, History of Ireland

4. AU

5. Chronicum Scotum

6. Annals of the Four Masters

7. Meyer, p. 113–117 (sect. 15–17).

8. Plummer. Bethada Náem nÉrenn vol. 2 (1910) http://www.ucc.ie/celt/published/T201000G/index.html

9. Mary Jones Celtic Literature Collective http://www.maryjones.us/ctexts/kieran.html

10. Early Christian Ireland by T. M. Charles-Edwards

11. G.Keating

Bibliography

Annals of the Four Masters

Annals of Ulster

G.Keating, History of Ireland

O'Keeffe, Book of Munster

Early Christian Ireland by T. M. Charles-Edwards

Meyer, Kuno, ed. (1901). "The Expulsion of the Dessi". Y Cymmrodor. 14: 101–135.

External links

Webb, Alfred (1878). "Aengus" . A Compendium of Irish Biography. Dublin: M. H. Gill & son.

CELT: Corpus of Electronic Texts at University College Cork

CORRECTION: I think this "Nad Froich mac Cuirc" is actually our 'Óengus mac Meicc Eircc'.

Just spelled differently (and apparently on Geni attached to the wrong wife, evidently his own daughter-in-law).

I have a feeling that due to puzzling variations in the Gaelic spellings and a general lack of cohesive attention to the lineage, not to mention the innate difficulties involved in piecing it together -- it has become scrambled.

I think Aengus mac Meicc Eircc is either Corc or the son of Corc. Corc is number 89 in the succession of Kings of Munster, to be repeated here:

https://www.libraryireland.com/Pedigrees1/Heber.php

https://archive.org/details/irishpedigreesor011915ohar/page/68/mode...

I find Aongus macNathfraoch King of Munster as the grandson of Conall Corc mac Luigthig

And I do suspect that Mac Cuirc or Meicc Eircc is "son of Corc". So to me mac Meicc Eircc sounds like "son of the son of Corc".

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