Query on Mary Ann BELL

Started by Leanne M (Volunteer Curator - Australia) 🇦🇺 on Thursday, September 9, 2021
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George Bell, Convict "Eliza" 1828 1812-1895 and Mary Ann McCormick, Convict "Southworth" 1832 1807-1879 have 2 daughters with the same name alive at the same time.

Mary Ann Bell 1846-1894 married John Connors born 1835

Mary Ann Jones 1846-1930 married David Jones 1850-1929

Can anyone add any sources on these Mary Ann's so we can determine where they belong?

Nsw death record
JONES MARY A
Registration number
4589/1930
Father's Given Name(s)
GEORGE
Mother's Given Name(s)
SARAH
District
NARRANDERA

Nsw marriage record
Registration number
1594/1871
Groom's Family Name
JONES
Groom's Given Name(s)
DAVID
Bride's Family Name(s)
BELL
Bride's Given Name(s)
MARY ANN
District
BATHURST

Nsw death record
CONNORS MARY
Registration number
6796/1894
Father's Given Name(s)
CHARLES
Mother's Given Name(s)
MARY
District
KEMPSEY

Nsw Marriage Record
Registration number
1393/1863
Groom's Family Name
CONNORS
Groom's Given Name(s)
JOHN
Bride's Family Name(s)
BELL
Bride's Given Name(s)
MARY ANNE
District
BATHURST

NSW Birth Record
BELL MARY A
Registration number
1111/1846 V18461111 62
Father's Given name(s)
GEORGE
Mother's Given name(s)
MARY
District

NSW Birth Record
BELL MARY
Registration number
4943/1859
Father's Given name(s)
CHARLES
Mother's Given name(s)
MARY
District
BATHURST

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/101243162?searchTerm=mar...
Nerandera Argus and Riverina Advertiser - Friday 21 March 1930 - Page 3

Death. — The death took place at
the Public Hospital on Tuesday last
of Mrs. Mary Ann Jones, widow of the
late Mr. David Jones, at the age of
87 years. Deceased lived in the
Wagga district for many years, and
there her family was reared. She
came to Narandera with her husband
about 14 years ago. Her husband
died in January of last year. She is
survived by a family of four sons,
one daughter, and a number of grand
children. Mr. W. Jones, Narandera,
is a son. The funeral took place on
Wednesday last, when the remains
were interred in the R.C. portion of
the Narandera cemetery. Messrs.
Watkins Bros. had charge of the
funeral arrangements.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/211641419?searchTerm=mar...
The Daily Express - Mon 24 March 1930 - Page 3
The death has occurred of Mrs.
Mary Ann. Jones, widow of the late
Mr. David Jones. Deceased, who
87 years of age, had been a res-
dent of the Narandera district for
the past 14 years. She is survived
ty a family of four sons and one
daughter.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/101230363?searchTerm=mar...
Nerandera Argus and Riverina Advertiser - Friday 28 Mar 1930 - Page 2
Death. — The death look place at
the Public Hospital on Tuesday,
March 18, of Mrs. Mary Ann Jones,
widow of the late Mr. David Jones, at
the age of 87 years. Deceased lived
in the Wagga district for many
years, and there her family was rear
ed. She came to Narandera with her
husband about 14 years ago. Her
husband died in January of last year.
She. is survived by a family of four
sons, two daughters, and a number of
grand children. The sons and daught-
ers are: Frederick Jones, of the Rock;
David and George, of Wagga; Walter,
of Narandera; Mrs. H. Davis, of
Waverley, Sydney; Mrs. A. Brown, of
Narandera. The funeral took place
on Wednesday, March 19, when the
remains were 'interred in the R.C.
portion of the Narandera cemetery.
Messrs. Watkins Bros, had charge of
the funeral arrangements.

Information from the above sources

Mary Ann BELL who married DAVID JONES in 1871 in Bathurst

  • died in 1930 Narrandera - father George, mother Sarah - aged 87
  • born c1843 (died in 1930 aged 87)

Mary Anne BELL who married John CONNORS in 1863 in Bathurst

  • died in 1894 Kempsey - father Charles, mother Mary

Mary Ann BELL

  • born 1846 - father George, mother Mary

Looking at various internet sites there is a George BELL who married Sarah SARGENT on 25/12/1844

404/1844 V1844404 29 BELL GEORGE and SARGENT SARAH MY

Private User
9/9/2021 at 10:57 PM

Leanne; I’ve been digging around and have a bit more for George Bell & Sarah Sargent situation (married Sutton Forest),

There was also a another marriage NSW 1834. George Bell & Sarah Danby

Also George Bell “Asia 1837”

Sorry ; just got interrupted will get back & write more with what I’ve identified there

Brian

Private User
9/9/2021 at 11:52 PM

George Bell & Sarah Sargent (married Sydney Scots Church “code JA”)
George was aboard convict ship Asia “1837”, from reading the various obits in newspapers & Nolas # commentary I tend to believe that he was listed as the George Ball (7 years transportation) & that Bell may have been his correct name via alias.
Archives show he obtained TOL 1847 at Scone & CF 18/3/1845.
George 1817/1894 & Sarah 1827/1865 had eight known children; George 1846/1919, James 1847/1926, Thomas 1849/1915, Harriett 1852/1932, Charles 1854/1946 (birth index missing), John 1856/1951, Alice 1863 Picton (Blanchard) & Emma Picton 1859/1928. There is another listed on index “Unnamed male 1856 Camden “ - this possibly refers to Son John.?

All family are buried at Picton Cemetery (with relative headstone) refer “Australian Cemetery Index” website.

Death reports Trove for both Emma d Feb 1928 & James d Aug 1926 give reference to some family members at that time

Interestingly I found further reference to this family group with a google search “George bell.Asia 1837” which led me to a family site conducted by Nora Mackey and a deal of info of this group.

Brian
I don’t believe this particular family is relative now to this discussion

Other than the marriage reference Bell / Danby mentioned earlier ; at this point have been unable to identify provable at this time relationships although NSW birth index does show several additional Bell children with parents noted George & Sarah born period 1831/1860 for which I’ve yet to be able to track (George 1845, Sarah J 1836, Thomas 1851)

Thought also crossed mind that “Mary Ann Bell” may have been born England but given number of girls born with that name on English birth index 1837/1860 it would be massive task to isolate, maybe luck with records .

Private User
9/9/2021 at 11:55 PM

Immigration records

Brian

Private User
9/10/2021 at 2:24 AM

Leanne;

Now have additional positive proof that Mary Ann Bell (dau of George Bell & Mary McCormick) married John Connors; and also that she was sister to Susan who married George Callan (my wife’s direct ancestor)

John Connors had been charged with murder , convicted and sentenced to death and earnt a reprieve
(Trove; Empire Sydney 10 Aug 1867 p5 - lengthy article).

The death noted for Mary Connors as 1894 is almost certainly incorrect, I suspect she may have remarried and will look for something there .

I will hold off delete her death as 1894 till have time to review

Brian

Private User
9/10/2021 at 2:56 AM

Note story also appears in Sydney Morning Herald 10 Aug 1867 p7 .
In addition to Susan being linked another sister Sarah who married into the Wynack (Winneck) family also links along with the Bell family home nearby

Brian

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/13162264?searchTerm=jame...

The Sydney Morning Herald - Saturday 10 August 1867 - Page 7

REPRIEVE OF THE CONVICT CONNORS.
The following is the report of Mr Justice Faucett on the
case of John Connors, convicted before him, at the last
Bathurst Assizes, of a capital outdoor The minutes of his
Excellency the Governor, giving his reasons for com
muting the sentence to imprisonment for life was published
a short time ago, in our parliamentary report
In this case the prisoner was tried before me for the
murder of James Taylor, and found guilty
It appeared from the evidence that the prisoner was a
farmer or settler, living at a place called Mount Pleasant,
about two or three miles from Bathurst. His next neighbours
on the adjoining farm wore a family of the name of
Callan The prisoner's wife and Mrs. Callan were sisters,
and daughters of a man named Bell, a farmer or settler who
lived about a mile away The deceased, James Taylor,
was an old man, about 70 years of ago, in the service of the
Callan's
On the 11th of January the prisoner had been in
Bathurst, and returned home in the evening " under the
influence of drink "
A short time after his return, Mrs Callan, according to
her evidence, saw him coming from his own place over
to hers He was then, according to her very drunk
When she saw him coming over, she sent her children
with the servant girl, Mary Scully, out of the way, to the
river, and she herself went over to her father's Her
husband appears to have been away from home at the
time, and a servant boy had gone in the early part of the
evening to the place of a man named Winack, who was a
friend of the Bells. The deceased James Taylor, was
thus left alone in charge of the place.
'The girl, Mary Scully on her way to the river, saw the
old man turning the horses out of the stockyard into an
adjoining paddock, and spoke to him. She did not then see
the prisoner But, as she said, in about five minutes after,
when she was on the bank of the river she saw the prisoner
who appeared very drunk, coming from his own place on
his hands and knees. She saw him coming to the end of
Mrs Callen's house, and then lost sight of him She did
not see anything in his hands. In about five minutes after
this she heard the old man sing out " murder " twice He
said Oh dear ' let me up and I'll not touch you no more."
This witness also said that she heard the prisoner's voice
coming from the same place from which the old man's
cries carne, and that there was no one else near
Some time after - between 9 and 9 o'clook Mrs. Callan
returned with her father and brother and some others, and
having missed the old man and being told by Mary Scully
about the cries she had heard, they searched about the
place with candles till 11 o'clock, without finding him
Early next morning, however, they found the dead body
not far from the stockyard Near it was found the handle
of a hatchet or an axe that used to be kept in the deceased's
room at Callan's house,
Dr Machattie described the appearance of the body - There
were four severe wounds The first was a wound
over the right temple, which caused a fracture of the bones.
The second was caused by a blow which fractured three of
the ribs on one side the third was caused by a blow
which fractured two ribs on the other side and breastbone
The fourth was caused by a blow which fractured the left
arm,
The wounds, he said, caused death, and must have been
produced by a heavy instrument. Such a weapon as the
axe handle produced, would have caused them
Some minor circumstances such as the finding of a hat,
said to be the prisoner's, and his leaving his house that
evening with a hat and returning without one, as stated by
a labourer in his own employment, and spots of blood found
on his shirt, could scarcely leave a doubt that the prisoner
was the person who caused the old man's death.
I could not at the trial, nor can I now, after the most
careful consideration, see anything in the evidence that
could reduce the came from murder to manslaughter
At the same time, there is great difficulty in accounting
for the occurrence
There was no suggestion whatever that the prisoner had
any previous quarrel with the deceased, or that he entertained
any ill-will whatever towards him - indeed, the existence
of such a feeling was negatived, There was, however,
some evidence that the prisoner did not get on well
with his wife's family and one of the Bells had some time
before impounded some of his horses There was also some
evidence that he did not agree very well with his wife and
in the evening in question when he returned from Bathurst,
she was not at home - she was in fact at Winnack's place
The probable was, then, of accounting for the transaction
appears to be this -The prisoner was very excitable
when he drank, and when he returned from Bathurst,
under the influence of drink, and found that his wife was
not at home, he became very excited, and went over to the
Callan's', probably to enquire for her, and being also at the
time quite disposed to quarrel He then fell in with the
old man, who was the only person on the premises, and
from the words of the old man's will touch you no more"
it may be conjectured that either in the first instance, or
in self defence, he struck the prisoner, and the prisoner then,
carried away by his drunken excitement struck the blows
which caused the man's death Peter Faucett, May
10th, 1897

Link to sister mentioned in the article

Susan Bell married James Duncan and George Callan (aka Harris)

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