Nest ferch Gruffydd - Nest verch Gruffydd's children?

Started by Gregory Donald Bell on Thursday, October 28, 2021
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10/28/2021 at 1:52 PM

A website, https://gw.geneanet.org/maderon?lang=en&p=cecilia&n=fitzosborn, lists Osbern FitzRichard and Nest verch Gruggydd as having a daughter named Cecilia, who marries Siward de Arden. Has anyone seen Cecilia listed as a child of Osbern and Nest before? I'd love to see a document that shows this link.

10/28/2021 at 2:28 PM

No, Cecilia was not a daughter of Nest and Osbern. (You're looking at an unsourced web tree; anybody can say anything, and it's best not to use them for the historical tree.)

No medieval sources give the two a child named Cecilia --

furthermore, I see that the site that you link to says that Cecilia married Siward de Arden.

Siward de Arden DID marry someone named Cecilia, but she was not Welsh -- she was from an Old English family, the grand daughter of Aldgyth, according to Wikipedia, though they are not citing sources --

Shakespeareana Genealogica from 1869 says that Siward's wife Cecilia was a Drummond -- https://www.google.com/books/edition/Shakespeareana_Genealogica/rFw...

William Dugdale's Antiquities of Warwickshire, from the late 17th century, gives her name as Cecilia but does not give any family name -- https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo/A36791.0001.001/1:18.168?rgn=div2...

On Geni she's here -- Cecily of Mercia -- with no family name, but that she was from Mercia is in the display name, and that is, I think, the best solution at this time.

there are guesses as to who she was, but we don't know.

For sure she was not the daugher of Nest ferch Gruffudd.
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