Liisa Erkintytär Koikkalainen - MtDNA conflict

Any Finish curators?

There are a number of them and I think they will help also many relatives and collaborators on both DNA lines. I am sure we can get this right. We are so close now.

Thanks to work of cousins and collaborators Annika Koskinen and Mauno Tapio Into. They have been working on my tree to help me since I have been on Geni. Genealogy is exciting when we have puzzles like these.

Her profile should not say this: There are no profiles on Geni with Mitochondrial DNA that matches Anna Sironen.

https://www.geni.com/list/ancestors/6000000079506999925?compare_id=...

DNA maternal report from Hilma Beck

1. Hilma Beck b. August 27, 1888, Tervaskangas, Evijärvi, Finland; d. June 1, 1932, Walterboro, Colleton County, South Carolina, United States
2. Anna Antintytär Tervaskangas b. May 18, 1858, Evijärvi, Finland
3. Anna Eliaksentytär Tervaskangas b. October 17, 1827, Evijärvi, Finland
4. Maria Juhontytär Joutsen b. November 3, 1808, Evijärvi, Finland; d. January 1, 1858, Evijärvi, Finland
5. Liisa Matintytär Joutsen b. October 19, 1780, Evijärvi, Finland; d. November 9, 1848, Evijärvi, Ina, Joutsen, Finland
6. Maria Juhontytär Söderkniivilä b. April 2, 1758, Vimpeli, Finland; d. January 29, 1836, Evijärvi, Finland
7. Sofia Jaakontytär Österspangar b. May 11, 1729, Vimpeli, Finland; d. circa 1774, Korsholm, Finland
8. Liisa Erkintytär Koikkalainen b. August 31, 1706, Vimpeli, Finland; d. December 23, 1779, Vimpeli, Finland
9. Maria Martintytär Kammarbacka b. May 29, 1661, Jokikylä, Evijärvi, Finland; d. February 11, 1732, Vimpeli, Finland
10. Helga Mårtensdotter Strang b. 1626, Vimpeli, Finland; d. August 17, 1706, Evijärvi, Finland
11. Magdalena Lassintytär Strang b. 1602, Evijärvi, Finland; d. circa 1698, Evijärvi, Finland

DNA maternal report from Lisbeth Anna Margareta Källman

1. Lisbeth Anna Margareta Källman b. February 15, 1934, Forsby, Pedersöre, Finland; d. May 24, 2021, Purmo, Finland
2. Anna Sofia Ekstrand b. September 23, 1902, Fäboda, Jakobstad, Finland; d. April 12, 1989
3. Lovisa Nyman b. July 9, 1879, Gästfgifvars, Sundby, Pedersöre, Finland; d. February 26, 1964, Fäboda, Jakobstad, Finland
4. Johanna Mattsdotter Gästgifvars b. October 2, 1838, Gästgifvars, Sundby, Pedersöre, Finland; d. July 13, 1914, Pedersöre, Finland
5. Greta Lena Mattsdotter Skutnabba b. April 12, 1806, Skutnabba, Pedersöre, Finland; d. January 10, 1866
6. Lena Mattsdotter Skutnabba b. 1776, Skutnabba, Pedersöre, Finland; d. May 5, 1843, Kyrkoby, Skutnabba, Pedersöre, Finland
7. Margareta Jakobsdotter Skutnabba b. June 20, 1745, Österspangar, Vimpeli, Lappajärvi, Finland; d. May 26, 1789, Skutnabba, Kyrkoby, Pedersöre, Finland
8. Liisa Erkintytär Koikkalainen b. August 31, 1706, Vimpeli, Finland; d. December 23, 1779, Vimpeli, Finland
9. Maria Martintytär Kammarbacka b. May 29, 1661, Jokikylä, Evijärvi, Finland; d. February 11, 1732, Vimpeli, Finland
10. Helga Mårtensdotter Strang b. 1626, Vimpeli, Finland; d. August 17, 1706, Evijärvi, Finland
11. Magdalena Lassintytär Strang b. 1602, Evijärvi, Finland; d. circa 1698, Evijärvi, Finland

Numbers 10 Helga Mårtensdotter Strang and 11 Magdalena Lassintytär Strang are showing only the U5a1d2b MtDNA haplogroup. Not sure why they haven't picked up the V1a1a as the others have.

The two MtDNA Samples propagating to Hilma Beck
are from Susanne Floyd on short hiatus and Lisbeth Anna Margareta Källman

Susanne Floyd on short hiatus is Helga Strang's 8th great granddaughter - she is the V... MtDNA

Lisbeth Anna Margareta (Ekstrand) Källman just said "is connected" to Helga Strang. So I asked it to find the relationship - got
7th great granddaughter. Lisbeth is the U.... MtDNA

--so yes, if Susanne's propagated that far back, then Lisberth's should also.

My error - the U propagated, and she is closer to Helga. But if the U... propagated to both Helga and the next generation,
Then would think Susanne should propagate to Helga.

There is a limit to how many generations are propagated.

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Re: "There are no profiles on Geni with Mitochondrial DNA that matches Anna Sironen."
Do not know who Anna Sironen is.
But do know, they are only talking about the person's own linked DNA- not propagated DNA.
Did Anna Sironen do a DNA Test that is linked to her Profile?

7. Margareta Jakobsdotter Skutnabba

7. Sofia Jaakontytär Österspangar

Margareta Jakobsdotter Skutnabba
Sofia Jaakontytär Österspangar

I still wonder if they need disconnected and then add the relationship back but may take a curator to do it-- are there any FInnish speaking curators that can assist?

Cynthia - I see that
Sofia Jaakontytär Österspangar
And
Margareta Jakobsdotter Skutnabba
are sisters, and neither of them has had any revisions since Apr 2021 (except for a change in Manager)

Who is the "they" in "wonder if they need disconnected and then add the relationship back" ?

Private User just wondering about a reset and if that would fix the problem. I think the most difficult part is the language barrier because you can't read the sources

The mitochondrial studies are not like the Y projects:
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/mtdnahaplogroupv?iframe=mtresults

In case anyone else wondering - in https://www.geni.com/discussions/255704?msg=1591359
We are given the Maternal line for Hilma Beck
Hilma is the Maternal grandmother of the one of the MtDNA Sample, Susanne Floyd on short hiatus
So that is also the Maternal line for that sample if we add 2 to each generation number.

And we are given the Maternal line for the other MtDNA Sample, Lisbeth Anna Margareta Källman

And both Maternal lines are the same from
8. Liisa Erkintytär Koikkalainen b. August 31, 1706, Vimpeli, Finland; d. December 23, 1779, Vimpeli, Finland
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