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Joan de Northwood (de Badlesmere) - Joan de Northwood (de Badlesmere)

Started by John Love on Thursday, November 2, 2023
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Good morning,

I was hoping someone might have a moment to review the parents of Joan since the information above would indicate she was born a number of years after her fathers death. The DOD shown above is 1255 and is confirmed (approximately) by her Find A Grave listing at 1257. Find A Grave posits that she might be the granddaughter of Bartholomew (Guncelin) not the daughter. Her date of birth would certainly be a better fit as a granddaughter.

Thanks for your help.
Best regards,
John Love

I doubt there’s any source for her birth date.

The more reliable study has:

https://cybergata.com/roots/9637.htm

Called in NGR. lady of the manors of Horton near Canterbury and Bewsfield (otherwise Whitfield) near Dover. These appear in her Inq.p.m. Hasted says she was daughter of Guncelin (Joscelin) de Badlesmere, who gave these manors with her in free marriage to John de Northwode. No deed of such gift has been found, but John was said to hold 10 marks rents in Harrietsham of the gift of Guncelin. Her age would make it likely that Joan was sister, not daughter, of Guncelin.

~Cokayne's Complete Peerage, 2nd Edition, Vol. IX, pp. 754-755

The more modern encyclopedic citation:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Northwood,_1st_Baron_Northwoo

About 1275 he married Joan Badlesmere, daughter of Sir Guncelin Badlesmere, and they had six sons. She died on 2 June 1319, a week after her husband, and is also commemorated by a brass at Minster-in-Sheppey.

5. C. L. Kingsford; Andrew Ayton (23 September 2004). "Northwood, John, first Lord Northwood (1254–1319)". Oxford Dictionary of National Biography. Retrieved 10 September 2023

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guncelin_Badlesmere

From a family of minor gentry in the village of Badlesmere, who had served as knights and judges, he was born before 1243 as the son of Batholomew Badlesmere.[3]

[3] Edward Hasted (1798). "'Parishes: Badlesmere'". The History and Topographical Survey of the County of Kent. Vol. 6. Canterbury. pp. 467–481. Retrieved 3 September 2023.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Northwode-8#_note-ra3101 Does not link her to parents and estimates her son’s birth as 1275.

John de Northwode was the son and heir apparent of John de Northwode, 1st Lord Northwode, of Nortwood (in Sheppey), Harrietsham, Shorne, Thornham, etc, Kent. The elder John was was Sheriff of Kent 1291-3, 1299-1300 1304-6. John's mother was Joan, daughter of Guncelin de Badlesmere. [1]

1. Douglas Richardson. Royal Ancestry. Volume III, page 101, #3 Agnes de Grandison

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