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Never do merges of private profiles

Started by Raymond Bernard Parent on Thursday, May 9, 2024
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Merges should not be done with any descendants of the merging profiles that have private profiles. This creates duplicates in the tree that can only be fixed by the person or persons that created the private profiles, that would be any living person. My tree keeps growing with all these duplicates that I cannot do anything about, can't even find out who created them.

Solutions would be appreciated from Geni curators.

I am not sure what you are actually trying to say.

Are you saying nobody should ever knowingly create duplicates of a Private Profile born less than 150 years ago,?
Are you suggesting Curators should in some way punish anyone they think has done so?
If they did, that certainly might help solve the problem you are discussing.
But - it is hard to prove someone purposely created duplicates, and I think it would be wrong to punish someone for that if it was an honest error and they had used Search to try to see if the profile already existed, and despite trying did not find it before adding what turns out to be a duplicate.

As for something "that can only be fixed by the person or persons that created the private profiles," that is not accurate.
Private Profiles that are not Geni users can be edited and merges requested/approved
by any manager of that profile,
by anyone in the Family Group of any manager of that Profile,
and by anyone in the Max Family of that Profile.
If the person who created that Profile does not fall into one of those categories, then they can do nothing to edit or Merge that Private Profile.
(Unless they are a Curator or Staff, and the Profile was born over 150 years ago)

I am sorry if my comments implied that the merging manager should be punished. I do not.

So if a profile I find in my tree is blank and says <Private> i cannot click on the tree profile to see who this person is, who the managers are of this profile.

Wouldn't it be nice to see at least the full name on the tree profile and be able to click on the tree profile to see who the managers are and be able to contact them if a duplicate is known?

it's too bad we can cut an image of the tree and post here what exactly I see.

I did not discuss punishing the merging manager - I suggested punishing the person who creates duplicates of private profiles.

The situation you describe is a result of blocking.
It used to be, if you were blocked by or were blocking the sole manager of a Ptivate Profile in your Max Family you could see that profile the same as if there was no blocking, you just could not edit it and could not message the person blocking or being blocked.
I know that changed.
Fortunately I am not experiencing that situation currently.
I am sorry you are.

Please do not talk about that situation, which is a result of the combination of blocking and private profiles as if you are talking about a situation that is just the result of profiles being private.
When profiles you find in your Tree are just Private, no blocking going on, you can click on the profile and see who the manager is and can send the manager a message, - whether in your Max Family or not.

If a Private Profile is not a Geni user and not in your Max Family, then I think Geni is correct to not show you the Profile's full name.

Raymond Bernard Parent you can upload a picture and post a link to that picture.

What you see of a profile is also influenced by the manager of that profile. If that manager has blocked you you will see only <Private> and no way to contact that manager.
If you are blocked there is not much you can do. You can try to find another user who is not blocked and willing to contact the manager on your behave.

After re-reading the problem, I think I understand the situation - and I agree, it's infuriating.

If a profile that is public is merged with another public profile there is not a problem... until you consider the descendants. If some of the descendants are private (especially when born less than 150 years ago), and that first profile is popular and needs to be merged multiple times, then the private descendants start growing unaccountably.

Not sure that your requested solution will be forthcoming - there is not even a way of contacting that private manager so there is nothing you can do.

Someone Asked to post a profile that shows this problem.
https://www.geni.com/family-tree/index/6000000081281209988
This merge was just completed as it required someone else to complete the merge after I said is was same person.

look at the tree.
I see two wives, one is private, one public.
Both wives have 2 children, all four are private.

I'll bet these are all duplicates.
So if we wait 150 years to merge these 5 profiles, we will have countless more duplicate private profiles that are duplicate.

Let me know what you see when you look at the tree.

I see one wife with birth surname "Ellison" and one wife with birth surname "Broomhall"

When I do a Geni search on "Naomi Marentette" it pulls up one profile only - Naomi J Marentette - so it is very unlikely the two wives are duplicates, given they have different first names and different birth surnames.

And from Naomi's profile, I can click on the profile of each of her two children, see their Manager and contact their Manager. And from either of her children's profile I also can click on their half-siblings and click on them. Or I could click on her husband's profile, then see and click on his children.
From Norman's profile, or the half-siblings of Naomi's children, I can click on the profile of Norman's other wife - Jimmie Beatrice Marentette/Brown and see and contact her Manager.
So -
Nome of those are blank profiles, none are profiles where I cannot see who the manager is nor where I cannot contact the manager.

For others who are Basic Member, they may not be able to click on Naomi's Profile and go to it after getting it from a search -
but any user can click on her Profile* in the tree and then progress the same way from there. Or even easier - click on Norman's and then progress from there - or click on Norman's, then Actions, then Descendant Report to click on each of his descendants.
Also, any user can click on Norman's, then click on Actions, then click on View Claimed Family to see folks who can see both wives and merge them if they are the same. Doing that, I see you are Norman's third cousin once removed. So if you do not have access to both his wives, then, as I said, there is blocking going on
(Aside:. I also see Dan, who is the Manager of Norman's profile, is "Norman's third cousin once removed's husband"
So both of you are in Norman's Max family. )

*I believe blocking currently does not effect Public Profiles, so you should be able to go to Norman and Naomi from that Tree View - yes?

As a basic user I see:
www.geni.com/media/proxy?media_id=6000000205771972852&size=large

As Lois indicated the wives differ, so the children are also different.

If you are able to see Smart Matches you can get some extra info:
www.geni.com/media/proxy?media_id=6000000205772257824&size=large

With language English:
www.geni.com/media/proxy?media_id=6000000205772209828&size=large

As I think I explained, I cannot click on the Private Profiles in Tree View.
Which is why I described those routes to get to it.

A post saying a Basic User could not click on a Private Profile just disappeared.
So am thinking that was because they tried to click on it in Tree View.

Oops. Sorry Lois, I deleted my entries when I realized my mistake.

No problem, Elaine.

And I see Dan has kindly made Public two of the Profiles that were Private when Job took the screenshot he posted for us, and were Private when I was talking about what I saw.

And
"Naomi J (Broomhall) Marentette's profile was updated by Dan. birth surname
4 hours ago "

So that has changed also.

How do you paste in a picture or screen shot into a conversation like Job Waterreus posted?

So to continue with this problem.

https://www.geni.com/family-tree/index/6000000000864705463
Deirdre Murphy has 4 pending merges.
I asked a curator to merge these and he cannot as some of the profiles are private.
So this stops all merges of families that are less than 150 years old.
Is it not the focus of Geni to create "A World Tree"
This is no longer possible.

Raymond Bernard Parent pasting a picture in a message is a curator only option. Others can post a link to a picture. If you make a screenshot, upload it to Geni en past a link to the picture in a message.

It seems those 4 possible matches for Deirdre Murphy are all false (I'm not familiar with this part of the tree, so I leave it to others to make the final decisions on them).

As far as I have seen Geni likes to have one profile for each person, but if there are privacy issues duplicates are acceptable.

Raymond,
I see a Blue Outline around her Profile Photo area, so she is a Geni User. Of course no merges should be forced on her.

You seem to ignore the fact that Geni Users being able to share Privately with Family is an equal goal to Creating a World Tree.

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