Adélaïde NN (perhaps de Gournay)

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Adélaïde NN (perhaps de Gournay)

Also Known As: "Adele De /Gournay/", "Adelais De Beaumont", "Adelais Gournay aka Beaumont"
Birthplace: Gournay-en-Bray, Normandy, France
Death: April 08, 1099 (39-48)
Montmorency, Val-d'Oise, Île-de-France, France
Immediate Family:

Daughter of Hugues II (III), seigneur de Gournay and Wife of Hugues II de Gournay
Wife of Ives V de Beaumont sur Oise, II, comte de Beaumont
Mother of Agnès de Beaumont sur Oise, dame de Conflans; Mathieu I, comte de Beaumont-sur-Oise and Hugues de Beaumont
Sister of Hugues III de Gournay, Seigneur de Gournay et Brai and Ancelin de Gournay

Occupation: Countess Beaumont-sur-Oise
Managed by: Bernard Raimond Assaf
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About Adélaïde NN (perhaps de Gournay)

may have been daughter of Hugues II (III), seigneur de Gournay and Wife of Hugues II de Gournay; however, her parentage is uncertain.

Charles Cawley writes:

Ives II comte de Beaumont m secondly ADELAIS, daughter of --- (-8 Apr 1099). “Ivo comes de Bellomonte et Adelhidis uxor eius” donated “ecclesia Sanctæ Honorinæ de Confluencio” to the monastery of Bec by charter dated 1080[35].

  • The Chronicon Beccensis Abbatiæ records that "Yvo de Bellomonte comes uper Isarum et Adelidis uxor eius" donated "ecclesia B. Honorinæ de Confluentium” to Bec in 1082[36].
  • [Depoin says that Adelais “devait appartenir à la maison de Gournay”, citing the necrology of Beaumont-Saint-Léonor which records the death of Hugues de Gournay (“X Kal Nov...Hugo de Gornayo”[37]%29 and suggesting that Hugues, younger brother of Mathieu [I] Comte de Beaumont, was named after him[38]. However, there is no indication to which Hugues de Gournay this necrology entry relates, nor of the time when he lived. The idea is interesting, but the data on which the hypothesis rests is too imprecise to suggest that it is probable.]
  • The Necrologium Bellimontense records the death “VI Id Apr” of “Adeledis comitissa Bellimontis”[39]. The year of her death is ascertained as follows. Depoin records that “la plus ancienne vie de saint Gautier, premier abbé de Saint-Martin de Pontoise” (he provides no precise citation reference for this source) records his death “le vendredi saint, et le même jour fut le dernier de la comtesse”[40].
  • The necrology of Pontoise Saint-Martin records the death “VI Id Apr” of “apud castrum Pontisariense...Sancti Galteri abbatis”[41], which coincides with the date of death of Adelais reported in the Necrologium Bellimontense.
  • According to the calculations of Cheney, the only years in the mid- to late 11th and early 12th centuries when Goof Friday fell on 8 April were 1037, 1099 and 1110[42]. Of these, the second appears to be the only year which is possible from a chronological point of view.


David Vincent Bigelow 2 April 2018

Regarding Adélaïde NN:

There is a bit of confusion in the master profile. She should be shown as Adelaide of GOURNAY (according to Geneanet), her father was "apparently" Hugh de Gournay en Bray according to Burkes landed Gentry although Burkes does not say this. If so she would carry the arms of her father which are "pure sable" (all black). The arms shown on the profile are those of Gournay-sur-Marne, a commune near Paris. Gournay-en-Bray is located in the northwest of the Normandy region, several hundred miles away.

See here for the correct arms:

Refer to The record of the house of Gournay. [With], Volume 1, pg 22 for the Gournay pedigree, but again does not identify Adelaide as a daughter of Hugh (III) in this pedigree but may in the text.

The Gournay line is also discussed very well in The Conqueror and His Companions by J.R. Planché, Somerset Herald. London: Tinsley Brothers, 1874.

Also Three Hundred Years of a Norman House: The Barons of Gournay from the 10th to the 13th Century, By James Hannay, but again no mention of Adelaide!

According to Our Royal, Titled, Noble, and Commoner Ancestors & Cousins here:

Adelaide d. 8 Apr 1099 was the daughter of Hugh II de Gournay, Sire de Gournay, Seigneur de Hanaches b. c 1022, d. 1074 and Basille de Dammartine b. c 1020, d. 1078 married to Ivo IV, Comte de Beaumont-sur-Oise d. a 16 Sep 1083,

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Adélaïde NN (perhaps de Gournay)'s Timeline

Gournay-en-Bray, Normandy, France
Beaumont-sur-Oise, Val d'Oise, Ile-de-France, France
April 8, 1099
Age 44
Montmorency, Val-d'Oise, Île-de-France, France