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Adele de Vermandois, Comtesse de Châlons & de Beaune

French: d'Anjou, Comtesse de Châlons & de Beaune, Dutch: van Anjou, Comtesse de Châlons & de Beaune, German: von Anjou, Comtesse de Châlons & de Beaune
Also Known As: "Adele de Meaux", "Adelaide de Vermandois", "Aelis de Vermandois", "Adeliza de Chalon"
Birthdate:
Birthplace: Vermandois, Normandy, France
Death: December 12, 975 (25-34)
Angers, Maine-et-Loire, Pays de la Loire, France
Place of Burial: France
Immediate Family:

Daughter of Robert de Vermandois, comte de Meaux et de Troyes and Adélaïde-Wera de Bourgogne, Chalon et Troyes
Wife of Geoffrey I "Greymantle", Count of Anjou
Mother of Ermangarde d'Anjou, Duchess of Bretagne; Geoffroy d'Anjou; Fulk III "the Black", count of Anjou & Vendôme and Gerberge, countess of Anjou
Sister of Archambaud de Vermandois; Heribert V "le jeune" de Vermandois, comte de Troyes and Adelais de Troyes

Occupation: Countess of Anjou, de Meaux, Dame, de Châlons-sur-Marne, Comtesse, also known as Adele of Vermandois, Countess of Chalon and Countess of Anjou
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About Adele de Meaux (de Vermandois)

Adele of Meaux (c. 950-c. 980) Also known as "Adele of Vermandois" she was a daughter of Robert of Vermandois and Adelaide-Werra de Chalon.

She married Geoffrey I of Anjou. He also had a wife named Adelais who had been previously married to Lambert, Count of Chalon, but it is not likely that these were the same person.

Also, she should not be confused with her sister Adelais de Troyes who married Charles de Lorraine, Duke of Lower Lotharingia.

Died between February 12, 974 and March 16, 978. Likely 12 December 975.

Children with Geoffrey d'Anjou:

1. ERMENGARDE d'Anjou (before 965-after 982). m (973) CONAN Comte de Rennes-->CONAN I "le Tort" Duke of Brittany.

2. FOULQUES d'Anjou ([970]-Metz 21 Jun 1040, bur Beaulieu-lez-Loche, Abbaye de Saint-Pierre). --> FOULQUES III "Nerra/the Black" Comte d'Anjou.

3. GEOFFROY (-after 6 Mar 974).

4. GERBERGE d'Anjou (974 or before-after 1 Apr 1040). m (before 1000) GUILLAUME IV Comte d'Angoulême

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http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CHAMPAGNE%20NOBILITY.htm

GEOFFROY d'Anjou, son of FOULQUES II "le Bon" Comte d'Anjou & his first wife Gerberge --- ([938/40]-Marçon 21 Jul 987, bur Châteauneuf, église Saint-Martin). The Gesta Consulum Andegavorum names "primogenitus Gofridus…Guido…episcopus Podii…tertius minor Drogo" as the three sons of "Fulco Pius"[82]. He succeeded his father in 958 as GEOFFROY I "Grisegonelle" Comte d'Anjou. "Teutbaldi comitis, Teutbaldi junioris, Gausfredi comitis, Hugonis comitis Cenomannorum…" subscribed the charter dated Sep 960 under which "Aremburgis" donated property to Saint-Florent de Saumur[83]. "Gaufridus…Andecavorum comes", with the consent of "fratre meo Widone abate", established the right of the comtes d'Anjou to appoint abbots of Saint-Aubin d'Angers, by charter dated 19 Jun 966[84]. He succeeded as Comte de Chalon from his second marriage until his death in 987. The Chronico Sancti Michaelis records the death in 987 of "Gaufredus comes Andegavensis pater Fulconis"[85]. The Chronica Rainaldi records that "Gaufridus Andecavorum comes, pater Fulconis comitis" was killed "XII Kal Aug in obsidione Marsonis super Odonem Rufinum facta"[86]. The necrology of Angers Cathedral records the death "XIV Kal Aug 987" of "Gaufridus Andegavensis comes, pater Fulconis in obsidione Marsonis"[87]. The Gesta Consulum Andegavorum records the burial of Geoffroy "in ecclesia Beati Martini Castri Novi"[88]. The Annales Sancti Albini Andegavensis record the death "XII Kal Aug…in obsidione Narsonis super Odonem Rufinum facta" of "Gaufridus comes, pater Fulchonis"[89].

m firstly ([965] or before) ADELA de Meaux, daughter of ROBERT Comte de Meaux et de Troyes & his wife Adelais [de Bourgogne] ([950]-974 after 6 Mar). Her parentage and marriage are indicated by a manuscript genealogy, dated to the early 12th century, which lists "Herbertus de Tricis, Robertus, Adela, Fulco, Gaufridus Martellus", presumably indicating a line of succession[90]. Her marriage date is estimated based on the estimated birth date of her oldest daughter. "Adela" donated property to Saint-Aubin d'Angers by charter dated 6 Mar 974 which names "seniore meo Gauzfredo comite" and is subscribed by "Gauzfredi comitis, Fulconis filii eius, Gauzfredi filii eius"[91]. The Chronicæ Sancti Albini names "Adela comitissa…et marito suo Gaufrido" as present at the ordination of "Rainaldus episcopus" in 1074[92]. "Fulco Andecavorum comes" relinquished rights to the bishop of Angers "pro anima patris mei Gauffredi et matris Adelæ" by charter dated 17 Jan 1020[93].

m secondly (Mar 979) as her second husband, ADELAIS, widow of LAMBERT Comte de Chalon, daughter of --- (-after 18 Oct 984). "Lanbertus comes [et]…Adeleydis uxor mea" made a joint donation of "capellam beati Martini in villa Vigoseto" to Cluny by charter dated 978[94]. "Gausfredus comes [et]…Adeleidis uxor mea" jointly donated land in "pago Cabilonensi" by charter dated Mar 979, her first marriage being deduced from "Hugo filius Lanberti comitis" acting jointly with them and signing "Hugonis filii eius" directly after "Adeleidis" in the subscriptions[95]. "Gauzfredi comitis, Adaleidis comitissa" subscribed a charter dated 18 Oct 984[96]. The origin of Adelais has been the subject of much speculation. Settipani has suggested that she was the daughter of Hugues Comte en Bourgogne & his wife Willa von Thurgau[97]. Chaume suggested that she was the daughter or granddaughter of Charles Constantin Comte de Vienne[98]. Bouchard sets out several different theories concerning Adelais's origin, with the aim mainly of explaining Lambert's succession to the county of Chalon by inheritance through his wife. However, none appears to be based on any primary source and the author concludes that she prefers "to leave Adelaide's origins unknown"[99]. An earlier theory was that Adelais was the sister of "Wera" Ctss de Meaux[100], which would mean that she was Adelais, daughter of Giselbert Duke of Burgundy, Comte de Chalon-sur-Saône et de Troyes & his wife Ermengarde [of Burgundy]. Duchesne suggested that Adelais Ctss de Chalon was the daughter of Robert Comte de Meaux et de Troyes[101], although this would mean that the two wives of Geoffroy I Comte d'Anjou were sisters, no mention of which has been found in contemporary sources. Yet another suggestion is that Adelais Ctss de Chalon was the same person as Wera-Adelais Ctss de Meaux. However, this is even more unlikely chronologically considering the estimated birth date of Wera-Adelais and the fact that Adelais de Chalon gave birth to at least one child by her second husband after their marriage in 979. It would also mean that Comte Geoffroy married, as his second wife, his first wife's mother which is unlikely to have been accepted by the church. Finally, in 1619, Duchesne suggested that Adelais was the sister of Guillaume I Comte d'Arles[102].

Geoffroy I & his first wife had four children:

1. ERMENGARDE d'Anjou (before 965-after 982). Rodulfus Glaber records that Conan married the sister of Foulques of Anjou but does not name her[103]. The primary source which confirms her name has not yet been identified. She was presumably born before 965 if it is correct that her first child was born in 980. m (973) CONAN Comte de Rennes, son of JUDICAËL BERENGAR Comte de Rennes & his wife Gerberge --- (-killed in battle Conquereil 27 Jun 992). He succeeded in 990 as CONAN I "le Tort" Duke of Brittany. Duke Conan I & his wife had five children:

1.1 GEOFFROY de Bretagne ([980]-20 Nov 1008). His parentage is confirmed by the Chronico Sancti Michaelis which records that "Gaufridus Dux Britanniæ filius Conani filii Juhelli Berengarii" died in 1008 "dum pergeret Romam causa orationis"[123]. He succeeded his father in 992 as GEOFFROY I Duke of Brittany.

- see below.

1.2. JUDITH de Bretagne ([982]-16 Jun 1017). Guillaume of Jumièges records the marriage of “dux Richardus” and “Goiffredum Britannorum comitem...sororem...Iudith” at “limina Archangeli Michaelis”[124]. Orderic Vitalis records that “Ricardus Gunnorides...et Judith uxor eius soror Gaufredi Britonum comitis” founded “cœnobium apud Bernaïcum in honore sanctæ Dei genitricis Mariæ”[125]. An agreement between the abbots of Jumièges and Bougeuil concerning an exchange of land in Poitou, by charter dated [13 Apr/4 Apr] 1012, is subscribed by "Richardus…filius Ricardi principi magni…Judith…"[126]. The Chronicle of Caen Saint-Etienne records the death in 1017 of "Judita comitissa"[127]. m (Mont Saint-Michel [1000]%29 as his first wife, RICHARD II "le Bon/l'Irascible" Comte de Normandie, son of RICHARD I "Sans-Peur" Comte [de Normandie] & his second wife Gunnora (-28 Aug 1027). 1.3. JUDICAËL (-1037). His parentage is confirmed by the charter dated 1026 which recalls that "Gaufridus, Conani Curvi filius" was killed "apud Concuruz prelium", witnessed by "Judicael et Hurwodius duo fratres ipsius"[128]. Comte de Porhoët. 1.4. CATUALLON (-15 Jan, 1050 or after). Tresvaux records that Catuallon, brother of Geoffroy I Duke of Brittany, was abbot of Redon, but does not cite the primary source on which this information is based[129]. 1.5. HURNOD [Urvod] de Bretagne (-after 1026). His parentage is confirmed by the charter dated 1026 which recalls that "Gaufridus, Conani Curvi filius" was killed "apud Concuruz prelium", witnessed by "Judicael et Hurwodius duo fratres ipsius"[130].

2. FOULQUES d'Anjou ([970]-Metz 21 Jun 1040, bur Beaulieu-lez-Loche, Abbaye de Saint-Pierre). The Historiæ Andegavensis, allegedly written by Foulques IV "Rechin" Comte d'Anjou, names "Goffridus Grisagonella pater avi mei Fulconis"[104]. He succeeded his father in 987 as FOULQUES III "Nerra/the Black" Comte d'Anjou.

- see below.

3. GEOFFROY (-after 6 Mar 974). "Adela" donated property to Saint-Aubin d'Angers by charter dated 6 Mar 974 which names "seniore meo Gauzfredo comite" and is subscribed by "Gauzfredi comitis, Fulconis filii eius, Gauzfredi filii eius"[105].

4. GERBERGE d'Anjou (974 or before-after 1 Apr 1040). The Chronicle of Adémar de Chabannes records the marriage of "comes…Engolismæ Willelmus" and "Girberga sorore comitis Fulconis"[106]. The Historia Pontificum et Comitum Engolismensis names "Giberta sorore comitis Guillermi Andegavensis" as wife of "Guillermus Comes Engolismensis"[107]. "Gaufredus et uxor mea Petronilla" donated property "ecclesiam Sancti Pauli…in Sanctonensi territorio subter castrum…Botavilla" to Sauvigny on the advice of "Vuillelmi comitis Engolismensis et uxoris eius dominæ Girbergiæ patris…mei et matris et domini Elduini fratris mei" by charter dated before 1028[108]. m (before 1000) GUILLAUME IV Comte d'Angoulême, son of ARNAULD "Mancer" Comte d'Angoulême & his first wife Raingarde --- ([978]-murdered 6 Apr 1028, bur Angoulême Saint-Cybard). He was poisoned by his daughter-in-law Alaisia.

Comte Geoffroy I & his second wife had one child:

5. MAURICE d'Anjou ([980]-1012, bur Châteauneuf, église Saint-Martin). The cartulary of Paray-le-Monial includes a charter (undated) of "filius eius Hugo" which is subscribed by "Hugonis comitis et episcopi, Adelaidis com, Mauricii…"[109]. "Hugo comes" donated property to Cluny "pro absolutione patris Lantberti" by charter dated to [988] which also names "mater mea Adelaydis et frater meus Mauricius"[110]. "Cabilonensium comes domnus Hugo et mater eius Adeleidis et domnus Mauricius frater eius" donated property "in villa Paion" to Paray-le-Monial by undated charter[111]. The fact that he was his mother's son by her second marriage is confirmed by "Fulco comes Mauriciusque frater eius" accusing "Rainaldus Andecavorum episcopus" of corruption, recorded in a charter dated [24 Oct 996/12 Jun 1005] which names "patri eorum Goffrido"[112]. "Domnus Hugo comes atque mater sua Adeleidis" donated property "in pago Cabilonensi" to the abbey of Paray-le-Moniale by an undated charter signed by "Hugo comes, Adeleidis matris suæ, Mauritii filii eius, Enrici ducis, Garlindis uxoris eius"[113]. The Gesta Consulum Andegavorum records that "Mauricius Gosfridi Grisæ Tunicæ filius" succeeded his father as Comte d'Anjou, and that Foulques "Nerra" was the son of Maurice and succeeded his father[114]. The Historia Comitum Andegavorum repeats these statements, which are chronologically impossible, concerning the alleged succession of Maurice to the county of Anjou and his succession by his supposed son Foulques "Nerra"[115]. The Gesta Consulum Andegavorum records the burial of "Mauricius…in ecclesia Beati Martini Castri Novi iuxta patrem suum"[116]. m --- de Saintes, daughter of AIMERY Comte de Saintes & his wife ---. The Gesta Consulum Andegavorum names "de Alverniensi pago filiam Hamerici consulis Santonici, neptem Raimundi Pictavensis comitis" as wife of "Mauricius Gofridi Grisæ Tunicæ filius", stating (incorrectly) that "Fulconem Neram" was their son[117]. "Raimundis Pictavensis comitis" may refer to Raymond-Pons Comte de Toulouse, who was also for a time duke of Aquitaine, the Aquitainian title being closely associated with the county of Poitou. This would also be chronologically acceptable, assuming that "neptem" in the Gesta can be translated as granddaughter. Maurice & his wife had [two] children:

a) GEOFFROY (-killed Château de Langeais 1039). A charter dated 1039 records that "miles…Walterius…filius Hamelini de Lingaiis" was sentenced to relinquish property held from Geoffroy II "Martel" Comte d’Anjou for having killed "cognatum predicti comitis…Mauricium", Comte Geoffroy donating the property to La Trinité de Vendôme, witnessed by "Radulfo vicecomite, Guillelmo vicecomite, Erfredo vicecomite, Herveo vicecomite de Bleso, Haimerico de Rancono, Goffrido de Prulliaco, Roberto Burgundione, Adelardo de Castro-Gunterii…"[118]. "Gauterius quidam miles, filius Hamelini Lingiacum" granted two mills to Geoffroy II "Martel" Comte d’Anjou after killing "cognatum comitis Gosfridi…Guasfridum filium Moricii comitis" by charter dated 1039, Comte Geoffroy donating the property to La Trinité de Vendôme[119].

b) [ OTGER (-after 1055). "…Otgerii filii Mauricii Comitis…" witnessed the charter dated 1055 under which Geoffroy II "Martel" Comte d’Anjou donated land in the forest of Gastine to Marmoutier[120]. It is not certain that Otger was the son of Maurice d’Anjou. However, no other Comte Maurice has been identified who lived during the right time period.]

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From the English Wikipedia page on Adele of Meaux:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adele_of_Meaux

Adele of Meaux (c. 950-c. 980) Also known as "Adele of Vermandois" was a daughter of Robert of Vermandois and Adelaide-Werra de Chalon.

Family

Marriage

She married twice, first to Lambert, Count of Chalon, and then to Geoffrey I of Anjou, and had three children with each.

Children

With Lambert of Chalon:

  • 1. Hugh I of Autun, Bishop of Auxerre (-1039)
  • 2. Mahaut of Autun, Count of Chalon (-1019)
  • 3. Aelis of Chalon, who married Guido I of Macon

With Geoffrey I of Anjou:

  • 1. Gottfried of Anjou (-987)
  • 2. Fulk III of Anjou (972-1040)
  • 3. Ermengarde of Anjou, who married Conan I of Rennes

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The family of Geoffroy Ier d'ANJOU and Adélaïs de VERMANDOIS

[129058] ANJOU (d'), Geoffroy Ier (..)

  • married 959 France ? (France)

VERMANDOIS (de), Adélaïs (..)

  • 1) Adèle dite Blanche, married about 980 Guillaume II de PROVENCE

Bibliographie : Essai sur l'histoire des comtes souverains de Provence; Histoire de la maison royale de France (Père Anselme)

http://www.francogene.com/quebec--genealogy/129/129058.php

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From http://www.rpi.edu/~holmes/Hobbies/Genealogy/ps05/ps05_320.htm

Adelaide was Countess of Vermandois, Troyes and Champagne.

References: [WallopFH],[AR7],[RD500]


Adele of Meaux (c. 950-c. 980) Also known as "Adele of Vermandois" was a daughter of Robert of Vermandois and Adelaide-Werra de Chalon.

Family

Marriage

She married twice, first to Lambert, Count of Chalon, and then to Geoffrey I of Anjou, and had children with each.

Children

With Lambert of Chalon:

   * Hugh I of Autun, Bishop of Auxerre (-1039)
   * Mahaut of Autun, Count of Chalon (-1019)
   * Aelis of Chalon, who married Guido I of Macon

With Geoffrey I of Anjou:

   * Gottfried of Anjou (-987)
   * Fulk III of Anjou (972-1040)
   * Ermengarde of Anjou, who married Conan I of Rennes
   * Gerberga (b. 973), married Count William IV of Angoulême.

alt name Bonne Adelaïde de Lorraine


Geoffroy married Adèle DE VERMANDOIS Countess of Meaux & Troyes, daughter of Robert DE VERMANDOIS Comte de Meaux & Troyes and Adélaïde D' AUXERRE Dame de Donzy, on 2 Mar 950-951 in France 610. (Adèle DE VERMANDOIS Countess of Meaux & Troyes was born about 934 in Vermandois, N, France 610 and died after 6 Mar 974 610.)

http://www.celtic-casimir.com/webtree/2/2701.htm

Two plausible entries:

59. Adele of Vermandois 91 103 104 105 (Herbert II, Count of Vermandois, Soissons and Troyes39, Herbert I, Count of Vermandois25, Pepin, Count of Senlis, Peronne, St. Quentin15, Bernard, King of Italy5, Pepin, King of Italy and Lombardy2, Charlemagne, King of France, Holy Roman Emperor1) was born between 910 and 915 in Vermand, Picardy, Neustria (France), died on 10 Oct 960 in Bruges, Aquitaine (West Flanders, Belgium), and was buried in Abbaye de St Pierre, Gand, Flandres. Adele married Arnulf I , Count of Flanders and Artois,90 91 92 93 son of Baldwin II , Count of Flanders and Artois and Ælfthryth , of Wessex, in 934. Arnulf was born about 890 in Flanders (Belgium) and died 27 Mar 964 or 965 in Flanders (Belgium) about age 74. (Duplicate Line. See Person 51)

80. Adelaide of Vermandois 127 (Robert, of Vermandois, Count of Trois and Meaux58, Herbert II, Count of Vermandois, Soissons and Troyes39, Herbert I, Count of Vermandois25, Pepin, Count of Senlis, Peronne, St. Quentin15, Bernard, King of Italy5, Pepin, King of Italy and Lombardy2, Charlemagne, King of France, Holy Roman Emperor1) was born about 934 in Vermand, Picardy, France and died 12 Mar 975 or 978 in Châlons-sur-Saône, Saône-et-Loire, France about age 41.

Birth Notes: Kevin Bradford has b. 950

Adelaide married Geoffrey I "Grisgonelle" , Count of Anjou,156 son of Fulk II "the Good" , Count of Anjou and Gerberga , of Maine, on 2 Mar 951 in Anjou, France. Geoffrey died on 21 Jul 987.

Marriage Notes: Kevin Bradford has m. 979. Seems too late.

Children from this marriage were:

+ 103 F i. Ermengarde of Anjou 157 158 was born about 952 in <Anjou, France> and died on 27 Jun 992 about age 40.

+ 104 M ii. Fulk III "the Black" of Maine, Count of Anjou 159 died on 21 Jun 1040.

AND IVO DE TALLIBOIS, ILLEGITIMATE

http://www.ffish.com/family_tree/Descendants_Charlemagne/D1.htm#i2036


Adele of Meaux, was a French noblewoman. She was Countess of Chalon and later Countess of Anjou. Adele was a daughter of Robert of Vermandois, Count of Meaux and Troyes, and Adelaide de Chalon. Adele died in 982.


Adele of Meaux

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Illustration of the tomb of Adele of Meaux with her effigy Adele of Meaux (c. 950-c. 980) Also known as "Adele of Vermandois" was a daughter of Robert of Vermandois and Adelaide-Werra de Chalon.


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[edit] Marriage


She married twice, first to Lambert, Count of Chalon, and then to Geoffrey I of Anjou, and had children with each.


[edit] Children


With Lambert of Chalon:

Hugh I of Autun, Bishop of Auxerre (-1039)
Mahaut of Autun, Count of Chalon (-1019)
Aelis of Chalon, who married Guido I of Macon

With Geoffrey I of Anjou:

Gottfried of Anjou (-987)
Fulk III of Anjou (972-1040)
Ermengarde of Anjou, who married Conan I of Rennes
Gerberga (b. 973), married Count William IV of Angoulême.

[edit] External links

Stoyan

Info from Findagrave.com: Birth: unknown Caen, France Death: unknown, France

Adele of Meaux born about 950 and died 980. She was also known as "Adele of Vermandois". She was a daughter of Robert of Vermandois and Adelaide-Werra de Chalon. She married twice, first to Lambert, Count of Chalon, and then to Geoffrey I of Anjou, and had three children with each. With Lambert of Chalon: Hugh I of Autun, Bishop of Auxerre (-1039) Mahaut of Autun, Count of Chalon (-1019) Aelis of Chalon, who married Guido I of Macon With Geoffrey I of Anjou: Fulk III "the Black" b: ABT 0970 Ermengarde of Anjou Gerberge of Anjou b: ABT 0982 in Anjou


Family links:

Parents:
 Robert de Vermandois
 Adelaide Werra de Bourgogne de Vermandois

Spouses:
 Geoffrey I Greymantle of Anjou*
 Lambert I d'Autun de Chalon*

Children:
 Ermangarde D'Anjou Bretagne (____ - 1033)*
 Fulk III Count Of Anjou (____ - 1040)*
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Burial: Saint Aubin Abbey Saint-Aubin Departement de Maine-et-Loire Pays de la Loire, France


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Created by: Kat Record added: Dec 24, 2011 Find A Grave Memorial# 82326968

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Adele de Meaux (de Vermandois)'s Timeline

945
945
Vermandois, Normandy, France
958
November 11, 958
France
964
964
France, Lot-et-Garonne, Aquitaine, France
970
970
974
974
Anjou, Isère, Rhône-Alpes, France
975
December 12, 975
Age 30
Angers, Maine-et-Loire, Pays de la Loire, France
982
982
Age 30
France
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fille de Godefroid, comte d'Ardennes
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daughter of, Count of, Troyes, France