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About Adelis de Guînes

“ Arnould I st of Guines” French Wikipedia

Adelis de Guînes, marries first with Renaut lord of Lille, who died without heirs, then with Robert de Wavrin, lord of Sainghin (either Sainghin-en-Mélantois or Sainghin-en-Weppes ), brother of Hellin de Wavrin, seneschal of Flanders, ( House of Wavrin ) [ 17 ]

Comte Arnoul & his wife had thirteen children:

8. ADELAIDE de Guines . The Historia Comitum Ghisnensium names (in order) "Margaretam…Beatricem…Adelidem …Eufemiam et Luthgaudam…Mathildem…Ghislam…Agnetem" as the eight daughters of "Gandavense Arnoldo" & his wife, specifying that Marguerite married firstly "Insulensi castellano Hugoni" (specifying that he was "prius Sancti Piati Seclinensis preoposito") and secondly "Roberto de Waveriaco, fratri Hellini Flandrie dapiferi sive senescali", specifying that her dowry was "apud Senghiniacum"[969]. Duchesne indicated that “Hugoni” in the Historia represents an error for “Reinaldi” and that Adelaide therefore married Renaud Châtelain de Lille as his third wife[970]. He highlighted “lettres à S. Wast d’Arras” in which Adelaide’s second husband declared holding “icelle terre de Senghin...à cause de sa femme” (this land having previously formed part of the dowry of Renaud’s [second] wife Mathilde de Wavrin) and that Adelaide would have to return it to “Jean chastelain de Lille fils du chastellain Hugues et de Hermentrude, qui en estoit le proprietaire”. Leuridan supposes that Mathilde’s property would have returned to the Wavrin family after she died without surviving children[971], although if that is correct it is not clear how Renaud could then have given it to Adelaide de Guines if she had been his third wife. An alternative property agreement between the Wavrin and Lille families seems likely, under which part of Mathilde’s dowry was transferred to the Lille family (maybe as part of an exchange) and that Châtelain Hugues granted it to Adelaide as dowry on their marriage. Whatever the property arrangements, the Historia mentions Hugues’s prior ecclesiastical appointment which does seem to identify him as Adelaide’s husband: there is no record of Châtelain Renaud holding any ecclesiastical position and, even if he had, he would have resigned it much earlier (in view of his two marriages) so mentioning it in the Historia would not have been relevant. m firstly HUGUES Châtelain de Lille, son of --- (-[1169/74]). m secondly ROBERT de Wavrin, son of ROGER [III] de Wavrin & his first wife Mathilde [de Lens] (-1209 or after).


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