William "Fortibus" de Forz

William de Forz (or de Vivonne) is a descendant of Magna Carta surety baron William Malet

Please see Darrell Wolcott: The Herbert Family Pedigree; http://www.ancientwalesstudies.org/id40.html. (Steven Ferry, April 21, 2020.)

A very nice article about William le Forte de Vivonne and his daughters. However, it does not mention Anticita.

http://www.histoirepassion.eu/spip.php?article1241

The name of Joan de Vivonne's father as reported by Complete Peerage is slightly askew. His name was actually Sir William de Forz, not William le Fort de Vivonne. He died shortly before 22 May 1259. Sir William's wife and mother of his children was Maud de Ferrers, widow of Simon de Kyme, and daughter of William de Ferrers, Knt., 5th Earl of Derby. Sir William de Forz in turn was the son and heir of Sir Hugh (or Hugues) de Vivonne, of Chewton, Somerset, by Mabel, the daughter and heiress of William Malet, the Magna Carta baron.

Mabel Malet, whose inheritance of one-third increased to one-half, married (1) Nicholas Avenal; and before November 1223 (2) Hugh de Vivonia (de Forz), baron of Chewton, co. Somerset, and Steward of Poitou, who held West Kington in 1214. They had the following children:

2. William de Vivonia de Fortibus, married Maud Ferrers, and died in 1259. He had four daughters, all minors at his death, as follows:

• 1. Joan Vivonia, married Reynold FitzPiers.
• 2. Sibyl Vivonia, married Guy de Roche Chinard.
• 3. Mabel Vivonia, married Fulk de L'Orty.
• 4. Cecily de Vivonne, married John de Beauchamp of Hacche Beauchamp, Somerset

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William De Vivonia

   * Born: 1219, Chewton, Somerset, England

   * Marriage: Maude De Ferrers

   * Died: 22 May 1259, Poitou, Of Chewton, Somerset, England, at age 40

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See:

G. E. Cokaynes Complete Peerage, Vol. IV, page 199.

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See:

Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor Charlemagne's Descendants, Compiled by J. Orton Buck, and Timothy Beard, 1978, published by the Order of the Crown of Charlemagne, page 163.

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See:

The Derby Lineage Chart

The Complete Peerage by G. E. Cokaynes,

Vol. IV, page 199 (Derby)

published 1982 by Sutton

Reprinted 2000 by Sutton

Pitman Periodicals Limited

ISBN: 0-904387-82-8

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See:

The Complete Peerage by G. E. Cokaynes,

Vol. V, page 498 (Fitzwarin)

published 1982 by Sutton

Reprinted 2000 by Sutton

Pitman Periodicals Limited

ISBN: 0-904387-82-8

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William married Maude De Ferrers, daughter of William De Ferrers 5th Earl Of Derby and Sibyl Marshall. (Maude De Ferrers was born in 1230 in England and died on 12 Mar 1298-1299 in England.)

Lord of Chewton

Sources:

Title: The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215, 5th Ed.

Author: Weis, Frederick

Publication: (Baltimore, Genealogical Publishing Co., 1999)

Page: 149-3

William de Fortibus (?-1259) Very few details about the life of Hugh’s son William have survived. For some reason, instead of using his father’s name he was usually referred to as “le Fort”, “des Forz” or “de Fortibus”. He had at least three younger brothers and sisters: Hugh and Helowise do not concern us here - nor, in any direct way, does his sister Sybil, apart from the challenge to her holding of the manor or Corston Denholm – see below.

When William married Matilda de Ferrers in July 1248 [13] he was probably in his early twenties, a fully trained knight and landowner in his own right having apparently inherited Mabel’s Malet estates. Two months earlier in April 1248 the king had given him permission to “to go to his own parts of Poitou and there acquire as best he can the lands belonging to him by inheritance through the death of Emery de Vivona, uncle of the said William, and hold those lands with the lands in England falling to him by inheritance.” [14] Presumably this Emery was Hugh’s brother, and possibly Hugh’s work as seneschal in Gascony and Poitou had allowed him to restore family ties.

The latest Fine Rolls published to 1255 show the classic accumulation of debts William took on once he had given the king the oath of allegiance required before he could take possession of his inheritances, taking over his father’s debts and then adding his own. We also learn, however, that on 5 July 1255 William had been with Edward the king’s son, in Gascony and that he remained there with the prince, his debts in respite, as his father had earned twenty years before.

It would seem that on his death in 1259 William had consolidated his legacies both on the continent and in England. Leaving his four young daughters as heirs, the lands they inherited straddled the domains of Henry III in both countries – the lands of Vivonne overseas, Hugh de Vivonne’s acquisitions in England, and his mother’s Malet estates in England.

Source: Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry (2005), plus

additions.

1. WILLIAM DE FORZ, Knt., of Chewton, Compton Dundon, Midsomer Norton,

Shepton Mallet, Sutton Mallet, Welton, etc., Somerset, Dullingham,

Cambridgeshire, Kilve, Somerset, Woodmansterne, Surrey, Fisheton de la

Mare, Wiltshire, etc., seigneur of Vivonne in Poitou. He inherited

one-half of the barony of Curry-Mallet, Somerset. He married about 30

July 1248 MAUD DE FERRERS (generally known as MAUD DE KYME), widow of

Simon de Kyme, of Sotby and Croft, Lincolnshire (died shortly before

30 July 1248), and daughter of William de Ferrers, 5th Earl of Derby,

by Sibyl, 3rd daughter of William Marshal, Knt., 4th Earl of Pembroke

(or Striguil), hereditary Master Marshal. She was born about 1230.

Maud was co-heiress to her mother, by which she inherited the manor of

Carbury, co. Kildare, Ireland, a third part of the seal of the

chancery of co. Kildare, Ireland, and a one-seventh share of her

mother's one tenth share in the barony of Long Crendon,

Buckinghamshire. They had four daughters, Joan, Mabel, Sibyl, and

Cecily. In 1249 he and his first cousin, Nicholas Poyntz, were asked

to warrant John de la Stane ½ knight's fee in Wiltshire. The same

year he reached agreement regarding the dower of his grandfather,

William Malet's widow, Alice Basset. In 1252 the king confirmed his

demise of the manors of Chewton, Compton Dundon, Midsomer Norton,

Shepton Mallet, and Welton, Somerset to the Abbot and convent of St.

Augustine, Bristol until the abbot and convent receive £224 which they

borrowed from some foreign merchants for his use. In 1255 he made

homage to the Abbot of Glastonbury for 10 knights' fees. SIR WILLIAM

DE FORZ died shortly before 22 May 1259. His widow, Maud, married

(3rd) after 6 Jan. 1263 and before 4 Feb. 1267 (as his 2nd wife)

Amaury IX de Rochechouart, Knt., Vicomte of Rochechouart (in Haute

Vienne) in Poitou, seigneur of La Cossière-en-Périgord, Brigueil-

l'Aine, Mas-de-Gegelar, Pérusse, etc., son and heir of Amaury VIII de

Rochechouart, Vicomte of Rochechouart, by Marguerite de Limoges. They

had one son, Guillaume (clerk) [Canon of Limoges and Bourges], and six

daughters, Marguerite (wife of Arnaud Bochard), Agnès (wife of Pierre

d'Analhac), Isabelle, Jeanne (wife of Pons de Mortagne, Vicomte of

Aunay), Anelide, and Marquise. Sir Amaury de Rochechouart, Vicomte of

Rochechouart, died in Dec. 1288, and was buried at Terzay. He left a

will dated 25 June 1283. His widow, Maud, died 12 March 1298/9.

Children of William de Forz, Knt., by Maud de Ferrers:

i.JOAN DE VIVONNE, married (1st) INGRAM DE PERCY; (2nd) REYNOLD FITZ

PETER, Knt., of Blaen Llyfni (in Cathedine), Breconshire.

ii.MABEL DE VIVONNE, married FULK D'ARCHIAC, seigneur of Archiac in

Saintonge, and, in right of his wife, of Woodmansterne, Surrey. They

had two sons, Aymer and Foucard. His wife, Mabel, died before 1 Nov.

1299. References: Cal. of Docs. Rel. Ireland 4 (1881): 320. Pipe

Roll for 1295 Surrey Membrane (Surrey Rec. Soc. 21) (1924): 45.

iii.SIBYL DE VIVONNE, married GUY DE ROCHECHOUART, seigneur of La

Pérusse, Salagnac, and Tonnay-Charente, and in right of his wife,

seigneur of Vivonne in Poitou. They were both living 1 Nov. 1299.

References: Cartulaire de l'Évêché de Poitiers 1 (Archives Historiques

du Poitou 10) (1881): 364. Cal. of Docs. Rel. Ireland 4 (1881): 275.

Martin, Hist. et Gen. de la Maison de Rochechouart (1990).

iv.CECILY DE VIVONNE, married JOHN DE BEAUCHAMP, Knt., of Hatch

Beauchamp, Somerset.

References:

Anselme, Hist. de la Maison Royale de France 4 (1726): 649-654 (sub

Rochechouart).

William Dugdale, Monasticon Anglicanum 5 (1825): 270 (Abbey of Tinturn-

Lacy Genealogy: "Quarta filia dicti Willielmi Marescalli, vocabatur

Sibilla, et nupta fuit Willielmo de Ferrers comiti Derbiæ, de qua

procreatæ fuere septem filiæ. Quarum prima vocabatur Agnes, secunda

Isabella, tertia Matilda, quarta Sibilla, quinta Johanna, sexta

Alianora, septima Agatha. Matylda de Kyme, tertia filia, nupta

Almarico de Rupe-Edwardi, de quibus Johanna de Vynon [recte Vivonia],

Cecilia de Bellocampo, Sibilla nupta Almarico de Archiaks in

Piganra.").

Coll. Top. & Gen. 7 (1841): 146-147.

C.Ch.R. 1 (1895):386. Somersetshire Pleas 1 (Somerset Rec. Soc. 11)

(1897): 380-382.

Cal. IPMs 1 (1904): 298; 3 (1912): 400-401.

List of Ancient Corr. of the Chancery & Exchequer (PRO Lists and

Indexes 15) (1902): 355.

List of Inqs. ad Quod Damnum 1 (PRO Lists and Indexes 17) (1904):

106.

Report on MSS in Various Colls. 4 (Hist. MSS Comm. 55) (1907): 101.

C.P.R. 1247-1258 (1908): 23.

Weaver, Feodary of Glastonbury Abbey (Somerset Rec. Soc. 26) (1910):

59-63.

VCH Surrey 4 (1912): 247-248.

C.P. 2 (1912): 48 (sub Beauchamp); 4 (1916): 199; 10 (1945): 364,

footnote a (sub Pembroke).

Pipe Roll for 1295 Surrey Membrane (Surrey Rec. Soc. 21) (1924): 45.

Moor, Knights of Edward I 1 (H.S.P. 80) (1929): 80; 4 (H.S.P. 83)

(1931): 156.

Somersetshire Pleas 4(1) (Somerset Rec. Soc. 44) (1929): 145, 254,

282, 305, 344-345, 350, 359-362.

C.Cl.R. 1253-1254 (1929): 246 (Aumary de Rochechouart, vicomte of

Rochechouart, styled "king's kinsman" by King Henry III of England).

Cam, The Hundred & Hundred Rolls (1930): 278. Watkin Great Chartulary

of Glastonbury 1 (Somerset Rec. Soc. 59) (1947): 234-235.

Sanders, English Baronies (1960): 38-39, 62-64, 79-80. VCH Wiltshire

8 (1965): 34-46.

Tremlett, Rolls of Arms Henry III (H.S.P 113-4) (1967): 153 (arms of

William de Forz de Vivonne: Argent a chief gules).

Clanchy, Civil Pleas of the Wiltshire Eyre 1249 (Wiltshire Rec. Soc.

26) (1971): 83, 102-103, 120, 157.

VCH Somerset 3 (1974): 157-158; 5 (1985): 97-98; 8 (2004): 184-190.

VCH Cambridge 6 (1978): 159-160.

London, Cartulary of Bradenstoke Priory (Wiltshire Rec. Soc. 35)

(1979): 120 (charter of William de Forz).

Adams, Select Cases from Ecclesiastical Courts of Canterbury 1200-1301

(Selden Soc. 95) (1981): 441-448.

Schwennicke, Europäische Stammtafeln 3(4) (1984): 777 (sub

Rouchechouart).

Martin, Hist. et Gen. de la Maison de Rochechouart (1990).

Curia Regis Rolls 19 (2002): 342-343 (Gilbert Malet styled ancestor

["antecessoris"] of William de Forz), 385, 409-410.

William was also called William de Vivonia, and also William "le Fort." He was Lord of Chewton in Somersetshire.

He died before 22 May 1259.

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