1820 British Settler

Edward (Ted) Timm, together with his parents and 4 siblings, were members of Thomas Calton's 's Party of 167 Settlers on the Settler Ship Albury.

Party originated from Nottinghamshire.

Departed Liverpool, 13 February 1820. Arrived Simon's Bay, Cape Town - 1st May 1820. Final Port - Algoa Bay, Port Elizabeth 15 May 1820.

Area Allocated to the Party : Torrens River - named Clumber after Clumber Park, the seat of the Duke of Newcastle, Chairman of the Nottinghamshire Committee.

Children :

• Charles Timm 13.
  
• Edward (Ted) Timm 12,
  
• Thomas Timm 9,
  
• Eliza Timm 7,
  
• Louisa (Lucy) Timm 5.
  

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1820 Settler

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1820 Settlers

From the Clumber Church website:

The Journey from Nottingham to Algoa Bay, South Africa

The Nottingham party comprised of 158 persons ; 60 men, 26 women and 72 children. This of a total of 3700 people who emigrated from Great Britain. This group had to travel from Nottingham to Liverpool, a distance of some 170 km to join the vessel Albury there.

From correspondence we know that the Nottingham Party was all aboard the vessel Albury, 330 tons, in Liverpool, by mid January 1820. It therefore follows that they left Nottingham either in late December 1819 or early January 1820. The weather was bitterly cold as ships were iced up on the Thames in London at this time. The men walked over the Pennine Moors under Sergeant George Harrison. The women and children journeyed by coaches and cart. Young Elijah Pike recalls the four in hand coach his family travelled in from Nottingham and was in wonder at the forest of masts and spars he saw in the dock at Liverpool.

On the 17 January 1820 the Nottingham Party was allready aboard the Albury as evidenced by a letter written on this date by Mr R Sipping and Mr J Thompson who were trying to reconcile the Party Lists versus those who had actually embarked.

The Albury was anchored on the River Mersey when on Friday 28 January 1820 the Liverpool Auxiliary Bible Society came aboard to ascertain if Bibles were needed by the emigrants. After ascertaining that all could read, the Depositary came aboard again on Monday 31 January to distribute Bibles. Henry Holland, aged 22, a stone mason, penned a letter of thanks to the Society.

The Boat JourneyDue to a cold front , the Albury only sailed on 13 February 1820. There were heavy seas and gales off the coast of Wales until 18 February whereafter the weather improved.

13 February 1820 Deaths of Henry Hartley, 4 years, youngest son of Thomas and Sarah Hartley, and John Cross, infant son of John and Mary Cross.

These deaths, according to George Dennison in a letter to E S Godfrey " have been occasioned by being so long on this unhealthy river"

27 February 1820 Anchored at Madeira

1 March 1820 Passed the Canary Islands

3 March 1820 Came aside the Aquatic laden with coal for St Helena

5 March 1820 Passed a Portuguese slave ship

9 March 1820 John Sykes complained of being ill

13 March 1820 Caught a shark

14 March 1820 Came alongside the Charles Grant and another ship. Longitude 22. Day Temperature 84 deg F, Night Teperature 82 deg F

Thomas Calton in a letter on this date wrote : " some there are whom I find have proved themselves greater eaters than workers, so I am afraid will prove the same at the Cape. These are the Frame Work Knitters. I must sincerely beg and pray you to send no more here"

He also adds that the Settlers are lying 4 to 6 in a bed and even that there are two men with their wives in the same bed, notes : " I wonder no mistakes are made"

15 March 1820 Crossed the Equator

18 March 1820 Met up with Clydesdale merchant ship Bengal heading to Bengal

19 March 1820 Sykes very ill

20 March 1820 John Sykes died at midnight

21 March 1820 The captain went aboard Nestex on her way from Calcutta to England

27 March 1820 Got the trade winds after being virtually becalmed since the 10th

4 April 1820 Crossed the tropics with a moderate breeze

8 April 1820 Gales and heavy winds continued till 17 April

17 April 1820 One man shot a large bird

18 April 1820 Light breeze, three albatrosses shot, one with a 5 ft 9 inch wingspan

1 May 1820 Came in sight of the Cape

1 May 1820 Anchored at midnight in Simon's Bay

To their dismay the Nottingham Party was not allowed to go ashore but had to wait on board before they could commence the final leg of their journey.

More about the Albury. Built in 1804 and classified as a ship with Mr W Worts as Captain. It had a single deck with beams and the boards were sheathed with copper. Accommodation was apparently rather cramped as the single men were given a blanket and had to find a place to sleep on the bare boards. In some instances the married folk were even lying 4, and some instances, 6, to a bed !

Afraid of the spread of disease aboard, Elijah Pike recalled how he and many other children were continually washed by their respective mothers as a preventative when one of the children died on the journey.

The Settlers traveling on the Vessel Zoroaster had to transfer to the Albury at Simons Town and joined the Nottingham Party for the final leg to Algoa Bay. The Zoroaster carried 142 persons; C Dyason's Party from London numbering 67, W Wait's Party numbering 40 from Middlesex and C Thornhills Party numbering 35. The Albury accommodation was already cramped and with an additional 142 persons joining, conditions could not have been pleasant. Jeremiah Goldswain of the Wait Party had this to say about the Albury :

" we got on board to see the difference between the two ships. I was astonished; the Zoroaster was as clean as possible for a Vessel to be, but the Albury you could not walk upright between her decks and she was not the cleanest Vessel I ever saw."

The Arrival

Also from CLumber Church website:

The First Two Churches 1825 - 1866The Clumber Church and the Settler homes had to be abandoned in 1834 during the Sixth Frontier War. On December 23 the people were ordered to concentrate in Bathurst where they were afforded protection. This protection was deemed insufficient and on December 28 they were taken in an escorted convoy to Grahamstown. By the end of 1835, residents started to return. The Church was entered during the War in its abandoned state and was dilapidated.

So a second, 200 seater Clumber Church was planned to be sited on the crown of Mount Mercy slightly higher than the first building and on November 15 tenders were called for the erection of a School Master's House, to be built adjacent to the new Church, for convenience. On December 31 1837 the new 200 seater Church was opened. A day school was also in operation in the new Church, with Thomas Peel of Trappes Valley, as Schoolmaster.

Rev William Shaw came for the Watchnight Service in 1837 and addresses were given by Thomas Walker, George Barnes and John Usher, Local Preachers.

The Rev's John Cameron, John Richards and William Impey were visiting Ministers in 1839. The Annual Missions Service was conducted by Rev George Green on March 3. Then there was a visit by two of the Society of Friends from York, James Backhouse and George Walker, who stayed with the School Master as his guests. They attended a Prayer Meeting, and a Service on April 3, and visited the school two days later.

In 1845, with Rev George Green in charge, the Missions Anniversary Sermon was preached by Rev Thornley Smith. John Richardson, of Thorn Hill, who was married to Emma Tarr, made and presented a pair of iron gates for the Churchyard, incorporating his initials in the design. The Rev Henry Dugmore was Minister in 1844. Rev John Ayliff, a friend of Clumber of twenty years past, returned in January 1845, and Thomas Pike became Chapel Steward.

Towards the end of 1845 there were fears of another invasion. Early in 1846 preparations were made for the concentration of the people in a number of defendable Stations, an alternative to the mass evacuation of Lower Albany in the previous war. In March 1846 the Seventh Frontier War or "War of the Axe" began. In April the Clumber Church became the Clumber Command Station with Thomas Cockroft as Commandant so rather than evacuating the surrounding farms, the Clumber Church became the refuge for women and children while the men were on reconnaissance duties.

Martial Law was lifted in January 1847, but it was not possible to resume Services until March when the Rev H Pearse conducted the Missionary Auxillary Society Service.

William Cadwallader became Schoolmaster in January 1850, and also served as Local Preacher.

On December 27 1850 the Eighth Frontier War began, and during this time the base camp was established on Edward Timm's farm, Prospect, as it was situated on a more open site and was easier to defend than the Church. By January 1851 most Clumber people were in the camp, living in wagons or hastily erected wattle and daub huts. William Cadwallader preached in camp on January 19 1851. By November it was decided to go to the Church for worship only, whenever security conditions permitted.

War continued throughout 1852 but William Cadwallader carried on his preaching duties. Hostilities ended in March 1853. The Clumber Church badly needed repairs and Thomas Tarr and William Foxcroft were each paid 10/- for the work which they did. In June Henry Shone repaired the bell and cut two new poles to support it.

On August 13 1854 Rev William Shaw preached the Anniversary Sermon, over 33 years since his first visit to Clumber. In a few months he was to leave the Colony, never to return.

With the congregation increasing and the Clumber Church being in such poor condition that enlarging it was impossible, the erection of a new Clumber Church had to be considered. In July 1860 with Rev Purdon Smailes in the chair, it was passed that a church of 45 feet by 20 feet should be built.

In July 1866 the foundation stone was finally laid by Mr George Wood MLC and prayers offered by Rev George Green. And so the building of the third Clumber Church commenced. In August 1866 it was decided to incorporate a ten foot by six foot porch and a steeple.

From Research:

"1806-1886. He was born at Stony Stanton, a son of Thomas Timm and sailed in "Albury" in 1820. In 1829 he was married to Selina daughter of Thomas Tarr. He had a windmill for corn at Clumber in 1834. In 1848 he was a committee member of the Lower Albany Agricultural Society. A defended laager of Clumber families was established at his homestead during the war of 1850-1853. In 1858 he was Member of the Bathurst Divisional Council for Clumber. He was buried at Clumber."

LETTER FROM E.TIMM to Grahamstown Journal 1870!!
1 The Nottingham Party [BY ONE OF THEM1] I have taken the liberty to write to you upon a subject that would perhaps be interesting to some of your readers. The subject I allude to is the following: In January, 1820, a party of men with families left Nottingham for South Africa, by subscription of some gentlemen, and the then Duke of Newcastle at their head. We left Nottingham, as I have just said, some time in January, 1820, and the shores of England, from Liverpool, on the 13th or 14th February. Our party consisted of fifty-six Settlers, of whom Dr Cotton2 was the head. We arrived at Algoa Bay on the 28th May; one man died on the passage, by the name of John Sykes; and Dr Cotton, and a man by the name of Bramford, died at the Bay (Thomas Cotton and family returned to England.) This, and the want of conveyance, caused us to remain at the Bay longer than we otherwise would have done. At length, however, we started for our locations, distant about 120 miles, with wagon drawn by oxen, which took ten days. We arrived on the locations on the 25th July, 1820, all safe, with fifty-two Settlers, twenty-three women and sixty-nine children; total, 144 souls, as follows:- Men Women Children Single men T Draper 1
1 1
G Hager 1
J Bradfield 1
1 4
M Pool 1
T Timm 1
1 5
T Jarman 1
T Hartley 1
1 7
- Folds 1
T Nelson 1
1 4
- Palmer 1
J Cross 1
1 5
W Theely 1
F Allison 1
1 5
- Holland 1
W Pike 1
1 4
G Hodgkinson 1
T Bilson 1
1 3
- Brooks 1
H Shepherd 1
1 3
J Smith 1
G Palmer 1
1 4
E Driver 1
S Jackson 1
1 4
J Harris 1
G Dennison 1
1 4
W Crooks 1
T Tarr 1
1 4
B Keeton 1
W Hunt 1
1 3
T Webster 1
W Elliott 1
1 2
W Sykes 1
T Golding 1
1 2
W Meets 1
J Morris 1
1 2
T Egglestone 1
M Elliott 1
1 1
J Radford 1
G Sampson 1
1 1
G Golding 1
Mrs Adkins 1
1 J Bradfield 1
G Mugglestone 1
1 E Bradfield 1
J Wright 1
1 Jos Bradfield 1
W Hartley 1
1 T Hartley 1
P Valentine 1
T Pike 1
G Brown 1
W Wright 1
R Radford 1
Totals 23 24 69 29 1 This is written by Edward Timm – see entry under footnote 5. 2 Thus is Calton’s name spelt throughout 2
I must tell you that Government supplied the whole of the Settlers with rations for the space of three years, and after that they received some rice from the East India Company, for which the Settlers can never be sufficiently thankful. In fact, had it not been for these supplies, South Africa could never have been established at that time. But although we received such supplies, yet they were not more than half enough for the consumption of the Party, added to which our clothing was worn to rags. And as for money, there was very little; in fact, the greater part had not five shillings each when we arrived on the locations; and I question if there was more than £200 among the whole of the Party. I may mention anther good thing respecting the gentlemen referred to above; with their subscriptions they supplied us with a lot of tools. And Government also gave us some, and tents to live in, and supplied us also with seed wheat. Well, sirs, as I said before, we arrived on the locations all safe, and were named “the Nottingham Party.” Our locations were named “Clumber” (after the estate of the late Duke of Newcastle), and were four miles from Bathurst, and twenty-four from Grahamstown. But even these places were only newly established, so that you cannot look at them as being anything like villages, but merely camps for soldiers; in fact, to look at our new country for one hundred miles round, it appeared to be nothing but a wilderness. Our first object was to divide the land, which was done in the following manner: A meeting was held, and a few men of the Party chosen to sub-divide certain plots of land, so that the Party be kept as nearly together as possible for mutual defence; this was merely temporary, for any man that did not like his plot could go and choose anywhere else on the Party lands, which some did. And now commenced a strange scene: men who had been brought up all their life at “a frame” (for the greater part of them were framework-knitters), took to their spades, axes and saws and commenced house-building, some with poles, others with poles and wattles, some with reeds and rushes; some dug out homes in the hill-sides and put roofs on, while others built with sods, some with chimneys and some without. As for glass, it was never thought of, and the doors were made of rushes, or reeds, or any other rubbish which could be got hold of. Thus it went on for some time, and it was a frequent occurance3 that as soon as they had built a house they would alter their minds and choose another place. Then in respect to cultivation, this was equally strange to us. Still our principal object was to raise wheat, while there were but few oxen among us at the time, and those we had, we had not acquired the knowledge to work them, so that many dug acres of ground and sowed them with wheat and other things, without proper judgment or knowledge. The wheat would grow very well until it came into ear; then it would take the rust and all was gone. Still we persevered, year after year with it, and got none. But we had one thing in our favour, and that was, stock was very cheap at the time, for we could purchase an ox for £1 10s., a cow for £1, and a sheep for 6s. But money was not to be got, especially on the location; therefore in the course of a few years, some began to seek employment elsewhere; some went to Grahamstown, brickmaking; others among the Dutch farmers; and the few tradesmen there were went in search of work, and so things went on for some years. I told you before, that our clothing was worn to rags, but by this time we acquired the knowledge of making our trowsers4 and jackets of tanned sheepskins. Our shirts and other linen were scarce, for if we had a change we thought we were doing well, but it was more frequent that we had to “doff” and wash (I speak in general). As for stockings, it was 3 Thus it is spelt in the original 4 Thus it is spelt in the original 3
a rarity to see a pair; and even as to shoes, why I have known men to go barefooted for months together, and it was not uncommon to see women in the same plight. Then in respect to land. At the time it must be understood that the Settlers’ conditions were to occupy three years or forfeit their claim, so that many by not fulfilling the conditions lost their land. Those who remained had the whole of the Party’s land divided among them, so that instead of fifty-two who arrived on the location, only thirty-four got land, which may be seen by referring to the may I have in my possession. Then, in respect to the value of the land; at the time it was from £2 to £15 per location, about 200 acres, and I knew one to be sold for an ox, and even in 1830 the writer purchased one for £22 10s which on the map is marked No. 315, which was considered a very high price. But to show that land is rising in value, the writer bought the location No. 33, in 1859, and gave £200 for it, which is now considered cheap. This price, £1 per acre, is what is considered the average price of land now in these parts, and there is every probability of its still rising. While upon the subject of land I may venture to tell you that there have been some strange goings on in respect to it since we arrived here; but more particularly so before we had a Parliament, for at that time all there was about it was for a man to write a memorial to the Governor for 1, 2 or even 10,000 acres of land, and if he was a favourite, he would be sure to get it, and no more ceremony about it. His next object was to get a customer and sell, and it was more than probable that he would send in a second memorial, from you will perceive not the worthy man; whereas the honest industrious man might have written till he was blind and got nothing. But since we have had a Parliament all land is given into the hands of a commissioner appointed by the Governor. Still there might be unfairness carried on, for while the seat of Government is 600 miles from the Frontier, even these commissioners might have friends, and these friends might recommend an unworthy applicant or they might write against a worthy applicant just because they had some paltry bickering – or those friends might give a man a recommendation to the commissioner and write privately against one another. I say these things might be so, but I refer your readers to a report by Major Hope, Special Commissioner, published in the Government Blue Book for 185-. I believe every word of that report and I also think a great deal more might have been raked up, if the Commissioners had had more time. To remedy these evils we want a seat of Government on the Frontier, and then the sooner all the lands are sold or given out the better. To return to my narrative. I have said before that our clothing was scare, and so it went on with us for six or seven years, through many privations, yet getting little stock together. But when our neighbours the Kafirs saw this, marauding parties of them would enter our kraals at night, while we were sleeping, and sweep off the whole of our cattle, and it was ten to one if ever we saw them again, and so it went on, becoming worse and worse, till the year 1834, about 14 years after our arrival when they broke out in open rebellion and swept off the greater part, not only of the Settlers’ cattle, but of the Dutch farmers also, and we were driven from our homes for about a year, suffering many privations, and a great number of the Settlers were killed. It is true Government gave the farmers some cattle, which Government captured from the Kafirs. (For a fuller account of this I would refer the reader to the book published by the Rev. Mr Boyce on South Africa.) When they returned to their farms, Government gave some of the famers cattle. But many of the Settlers never returned to their locations after the 5 Proof positive that the author of this account was Edward Timm. The 1845 Land Register held at Kew lists the following: Edward TIMM, Lot No.31 – 96 morgen, allotted to and surveyed for Thomas NELSON, who sold to Edward TIMM. 4
war, but remained in Grahamstown (which had grown to something considerable by this time) or spread to other parts of the colony, and of those who did, two-thirds returned to houseless homesteads. Before this many of the Settlers had built good houses. Thus we had to begin the world afresh or nearly so, but by this time we had acquired moro6 the knowledge which is required for an African life; for we knew when to sow, how to sow, and what to sow, which was no small advantage, added to which, there was a market now for all we could grow. So we went to work. Our first object was to repair our smoked walls, and by hard work and great frugality we managed to get a few cattle again. I must tell you that our treaty with the Kafirs (not written by that worthy, that very worthy man, Sir Benjamin D’Urban), was faulty, and the farmers felt it so, for as fast as we get cattle together, the Kafirs would enter our kraals by night and take them away, yes, or even by day. Thus hundreds of our farmers were thoroughly ruined. It went on in this way till 1846. The Kafirs again broke out in open war and this was more desperate than the war of 1834 for this reason; several of the Kafir chiefs who were friendly in the first war now broke out, because they found that the Kafir chiefs who broke out the first war had every advantage. For a more detailed account of these times I would refer your readers to different books published at that time. This I can say, that between the wars of 1834 and 1846 was the most difficult time we have had since we have been in the colony, for as I have already stated, there was not a week in which stealing did not occur. For a more detailed account I would refer your readers to the Grahamstown Journal published at the time, wherein you will see that there was not a week but there were depredations of some kind or another, and hundreds of cases occurred that were never published, for the people got tired and would not report, and all this arose from bad policy or wicked designing men. In this war the people generally did not go to town as before, but got together in laagers. Still as they were away from their homes for two whole years they could do but little, especially the aged, and many of these never returned, having been twice ruined, and now having lost their energy, lived a few years and at last died, poor and miserably. But the young men hired their wagons to Government to carry out the war, and a good many of them were killed in this war. But, sir, when I commenced to write I had no thought of getting into this strain so far; yet, before I close, I must tell you that, in 1850, we had another war to contend with, which was equally as bad, or worse, than the other two. I shall, however, leave this subject; but, before doing so, let me just say that many writers blame the frontier farmers, saying that these wars are brought on them justly, - but, if so, I know nothing about it; but I do think there is a heavy curse upon such men, because they know better. “Clumber” or “Nottingham” Party is, as I stated, about four miles from Bathurst and twenty-four from Grahamstown, and is about 10 miles from the sea coast. It has thirty-four locations, of about 200 acres each and what is called a market-place, and a piece of ground for a Wesleyan Chapel and burying-ground, as may be seen on the tracing I have sent, marked 18 for chapel and 17 for market-place, - land never used for that purpose. The ground of the Nottingham Party is of middling quality for agricultural purposes and for grazing large stock. Sheep and goats have been tried, and I have no doubt that the time will come when there will be breeds found that will do well in this district. I am now speaking of the Bathurst district, for it is proved that sheep do well in the district of Grahamstown and up country, and when the ground is well cultivated it brings as good crops as most places, either of Indian corn or Kafir corn, barley, oats , and all kinds of vegetables, wheat of different kinds, such as the golden ball and a wheat called the Egyptian, and most kinds of fruits that are grown in England, besides many others, such as oranges, lemons, peaches, apricots, and several others that might be mentioned; and I think there is some probability of it becoming a cotton-growing district (for cotton grows well here), but not remunerative 6 Thus it is transcribed in the original 5
yet, our labour being scarce and uncertain. Then there is some talk of sugar being grown here; the cane grows well, but whether it will grow to a paying extent has yet to be proved; but this must be done by a company, or some one with capital. As stated above, the Nottingham Party consisted of fifty-two Settlers, who arrived on the locations, but only thirty-five got land, and some of these left. This may seem a small proportion, but I would venture to assert that there were more in proportion remained on the location in the Nottingham Party than any other Party that came out in 1820. Some of the Parties who brought one hundred Settlers had not more than a third person in the Party of the name of the original Settlers; and there are others in which the whole of the original Settlers have left, and the land has fallen entirely into the hands of strangers. But it is not so with the Nottingham Party, as may be seen by the map I have sent, for there are but two strangers entered the Party, whose names are Wood and Hulley; except these two, the whole of the Party’s land is still occupied by either the original Settlers or by their sons. Now this has not occurred in any other Party, as stated above. We have a Wesleyan Chapel at Clumber; there have been two or three Wesleyan Chapels among the Settlers, but they have all been either burnt down by Kafirs or entirely deserted; but Clumber is still well attended. We have also a day school, supported partly by Government, partly by the Wesleyan Conference, and partly by the people. Clumber Chapel was built in the year 1825, and remains to this present day. Now it is to this cause I attribute that this settlement is more thickly populated than any other in the colony. If it did no other good, it formed a centre or rallying point for the people, and a great many who had a desire to leave, thinking they could better their circumstances, remained on account of the chapel and school, and most have obtained a moderate education. And then in respect of the religious impression, I hope it has not been in vain, but, to say the least of it, the peoples’ morals about Clumber are as good as most places in the colony. But, after all, I have sent you but a very rough sketch of the Nottingham Party. Grahamstown Journal – 23 May 1870 Literatim transcript7 of the original held in the Cory Library in Grahamstown. 7 Transcriber: Jean Morgan [Aberystwyth, in the year 2016] – Edward Timm’s great-great-granddaughter.

It has been recorded, with no known reliable sources, that Edward was born in Stoney Stanton, Leicestershire, England. We believe that this may not be correct. He was baptised in Stanton-by-Dale, Derbyshire, which is much closer to Nottingham, where the family were from originally, so perhaps he was also born in Stanton-by-Dale.

Jean Morgan says: I have been in contact with Leicestershire archives about Edward's place of birth and they refer me to the IGI record for this entry at Stanton-by-Dale. Without double-checking in person in the Leics. County Archives in Wigston Magna [just outside Leicester] in the Stoney Stanton registers, I cannot discount the fact that he might have been born in Stoney Stanton. But Lin and I had a chat about this and we both feel that Stoney Stanton is a mistake, given how far it is from Nottingham, and that he was born in Stanton-by-Dale in Derbyshire which is not very far from Nottingham at all. There are 3 ways we can proceed with this:

1. Ask William Jervois at the museum in Grahamstown whether the source of the birthplace is wholly trustworthy. As far as I know it comes from the book by E Morse Jones: "Roll of the British Settlers in South Africa" published by Balkema in 1969, which states "He {Edward} was born at Stonystanton, a son of Thomas Timm and sailed on the "Albury" in 1820 ..." How did E Morse Jones find this out? If it was oral information, the mistake could have been made at that point. If it is written, where was it written? Does the Albany museum have anything? 2. When I go to Leics. in July I can try and see if there is anything in the Stoney Stanton records for Edward. If I don?t find anything, then I am inclined to take Stanton-by-Dale as both birthplace and Christening place. 3. When I looked at the Stanton-by-Dale registers I searched very carefully from 1806-1811 for an entry for Elizabeth Timm who we think was born in around 1808. I did not find anything. If we look in Stoney Stanton registers and we find her, then we need to rethink the whole Stoney Stanton/Stanton by Dale story!

Update on 1 April 2012:

Jean Morgan says: I went to the Leics County Archives in Wigston Magna and searched the baptismal records and there is no Edward or Elizabeth Timm/s recorded or any Timm/s at all recorded in Stonystanton in Leics.

Mike Wright says: This doesn't discount the possibility that he was BORN in Stoney Stanton, and baptised in Stanton-by-Dale, but Stoney Stanton is quite far from the Timms' home town of Nottingham, so it does seem unlikely that they would have gone all the way down there.

GEDCOM Note

1820 British Settler= nated from Nottinghamshire.Torrens River - named Clumber after Clumber Park, the seat of the Duke of Newcastle, Chairman of the Nottinghamshire Committee.dward (Ted) Timm 12,

1820 Settler

GEDCOM Note

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!BURIAL:FamilySearch Family Tree (https://www.familysearch.org), "FamilySearch Family Tree," database, \i FamilySearch\i0 �, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, (https://www.familysearch.org), accessed 1 Jun 2022), entry for Edward Timm, person ID L4YY-VKG.