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George Árpád dynasty

Hungarian: ÁRPÁD (házi) György, Lithuanian: Jurij, Latin: Georgium Iuri
Also Known As: "Iuri"
Birthplace: Hungary, Székesfehérvár
Place of Burial: Székesfehérvár
Immediate Family:

Son of Andrew I of Hungary and concubine from Pilismarót
Husband of Agatha Podiebradius, Grand Duchess of Bohemia
Half brother of Adelaida, princess of Hungary; Solomon of Hungary and David of Hungary

Occupation: illegitimate son of Andrew I, ancestor of the Drummond family
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1. ANDRÁS ([1014]-Zirc Autumn 1060, bur Tihany, Benedictine Abbey of St Anian). ... m firstly --- (-before [1039]). According to Europäische Stammtafeln, the first wife of András was a pagan in Hungary[414], although the primary source on which this is based has not been identified. ... King András & his first wife had [one child]:

  • a) [son. The Chronicon Dubnicense records that "rex Andreas" had one son "Georgium" by "concubina…quam habuit de villa Morouth"[418]. He was baptised in [1037/38] in Kiev as IURI [George][419]. According to Europäische Stammtafeln, he went to Scotland in 1055, where he is alleged to have been the ancestor of the Drummond family[420]. ▼ If this is correct, it is surprising that this Hungarian origin is not mentioned either in The Complete Peerage[421] or in Burke's Dormant and Extinct Peerages[422]. It is stated in Burke's Peerage & Baronetage[423] that the Drummond family "allegedly migrated from Hungary to Scotland in the 11th century" but no details of the alleged ancestry are given earlier than Sir Malcolm Drummond (early 14th century). In any case, it is unclear why the king of Hungary's eldest son, whose eventual succession prospects must have been good despite the rule of primogeniture not having been established to govern the Hungarian succession, would have left his country in this way.

children of second marriage:

  • b)         ADELAIDA ([1040]-27 Jan 1062). ... m (1057) as his second wife, VRATISLAV of Bohemia Herzog von Olmütz, son of BŘETISLAV Duke of the Bohemians & his wife Judith von Schweinfurt[427] ([1032]-14 Jan 1092).
  • c) SALAMON (1053-killed in battle 1087, bur Pula). ... After King Béla I died in 1063, he was installed as SALAMON King of Hungary with support from King Heinrich IV, whose suzerainty he recognised. ... m (betrothed 1059, early 1063) as her first husband, JUDITH [Maria/Sophia] of Germany, daughter of Emperor HEINRICH III King of Germany & his second wife Agnès de Poitou ([1054]-14 Mar [1092/96], bur Admont Abbey). ...
  • d) DAVID (-after 1094, bur Tihany, Benedictine Abbey of St Anian). ...



“Firſt, our Soveraigne Lord and Monarch King Charles the Second is the twentieth perſon in a right line ſroin Walter, the Firſt great Stuart of Scotland, ſprung from the ancient ſtock of our 108 Scots Kings; and yow are in direct order of ſucceſſion alſo the twentieth head of youre family, from Maurice Drummond the firſt Thane of Lennox, deſcended from the ancient nobility of the Kingdome of Hungary▼, who was contemporary with that Walter, the Firſt great Stuart of Scotland; and both with King Malcolm the Third, called Keandmore, in whoſe time the degrees of nobility and diſtinctions of ſyrnames tooke begining in this land.”



▲Note from FARKAS:

György a Drummond család őse?

György (*~1035) Vazul unokája volt, I. András első fia, (aki nem katolikus házasságból, vagy házasságon kívűli - törvénytelen gyerekként született)
Ágota(*~1018 + I. Szt. István lánya, aki férjével és gyermekeivel ~1057-ben Angliába ment, majd férje korai halála után Skóciába kényszerült menekülni.

1057-ben György 22 éves volt, és apja I. András már 11 éve uralkodott. I. András, aki apjának megvakítása után gyerekként száműzetésbe kényszerült, szinte kizárt, hogy jó viszonyt ápolt volna I. Szent István Ágota nevű gyermekével, és így nem lehet, hogy a regnáló király az elsőszülött fiát kísérőként Ágota szolgálatába rendelte volna, mint „hajóskapitány”-t.

(A fenti következtetések félrevezetők lehetnek, ha György fellázadt volna az apja ellen, de erre semmiféle forrás nem ismert.)

Így Maurice de Drummond apja nem György volt.

Ha Maurice Drummond a magyar királyi család leszármazottja lett volna, úgy nem nemesként, hanem hercegként, vagy a királyi család tagjaként-leszármazójaként tartalmazná a Drummond-ok származásának leírása.

György-George was the ancestor of Drummond family?

George (*~1035) was Basil’s grandchildren and son of I. Andrew (George was born from an non Catholic marriage or outside of marriage - as an illegitimate child).

Agatha (*~1018 +~1067) St. I. Stephen's daughter, who in 1057 went with her husband and children to England and, after the early death of her husband was forced to flee to Scotland.

In 1057 George was~ 22 years old, his father I. Andrew has ruled for 11 years. I Andrew, who, after his father was blinding and forced into exile as a child, most impossible to have good relations have been maintained St. I. Stephen's daughter named Agatha and therefore can not be the reigning king his eldest son were ordered as escorts to serve Agatha as "captain".

(Above conclusions may be misleading if George had rebelled against his father, but isn’t any references for this.)

So Georg was not the father of Maurice de Drummond

If Maurice Drummond came from a Hungarian royal ancestor would have not be "just noble", but Prince of Hungary, or a member-descendant of the royal family ... origin contain the description of the Drummond’s descent.

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