Gilbert de Venables, 3rd Baron of Kinderton

Gilbert Venables, grandson of the first Baron, married Margery, daughter of Walthew Fitz-Wolfric, with whom he had half of Marton in frank marriage, and by whom he had issue 6 sons and 2 daughters. His seal was a falcon sinister, regardant, which is appended to a charter, witnessed by Ormus de Davenport, and others whereby he grants lands.

Their children were: William, eldest son, Hugh, Gilbert, Michael, Robert, Hamon, Amabilia and Maud.

the Cheshire palatinate

In mediaeval times, Cheshire occupied a unique place among the English counties: The sole justification for the enormous powers given to the Earl of the Cheshire palatinate lay in the need for constant warfare, offensive and defensive, against the Welsh. The line of the earls of Chester became extinct in 1237, and the great fief escheated to the king [Henry III]. In 1253, he bestowed it upon his son, Edward I, and from that date the earldom of Cheshire, a region of about a thousand square miles, remained in royal hands. Ibid., pp. 2, 3.

The earldom of Chester was distinguished clearly from the kingdom of England. .. . . Men felt it stood between Wales and England, being part of neither.

"He and his army returned to England," wrote a Welsh chronicler, of the departure of Henry lI from Cheshire. . . . Even after being granted to Edward by Henry III, it was not yet merged into England. Throughout the Middle Ages, it retained much of its distinct system of government. The men of Cheshire fought in Scotland, the knights and men of Cheshire fought in France, but the original purpose of the palatinate was not forgotten. Military service was still defined in terms of wars in Wales, and Cheshire knights were under no obligation to serve "Beyond the Lyme," roughly translated as the eastern boundary of Cheshire." Ibid., p. 7.

Links

• http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=rwheald&i...
• http://cybergata.com/roots/5231.htm
• http://www.multiwords.de/genealogy/Ve20%20Joan%20Venables.html
• http://www.wallace-venable.name/Venable_Genealogy/Some_Venables_of_...
• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Middlewich
• http://www.ourfamilyhistories.org/getperson.php?personID=I36907&tre...
• http://www.multiwords.de/genealogy/Ve20%20Joan%20Venables.html
• http://www.wallace-venable.name/Venable_Genealogy/Some_Venables_of_...

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 (Dav. Gen.) Second Baron of Kinderton.  Wife only named as Margaret. No dates given for this family nor their two named ch.: Wm. & Amabilia.

 (LDS) Names wife, gives dates, names all given children with dates. Amabil's is obviously incorrect.

 (Ormerod)  Baron of Kynderton, he died during the reign of Henry II.  Grandson of Gilbert de Venables, grantee of Kinderton.

 (Dav. Geneal.) Gilbert Venables, baron of Kinderton, whose father Gilbert Venables was the Norman grantee of Kinderton, Davenport, etc., before 1066.

(Dav. Gen.) Second Baron of Kinderton.  Wife only named as Margaret. No dates given for this family nor their two named ch.: Wm. & Amabilia.

(LDS) Names wife, gives dates, names all given children with dates. Amabil's is obviously incorrect.

(Ormerod)  Baron of Kynderton, he died during the reign of Henry II.  Grandson of Gilbert de Venables, grantee of Kinderton.

(Dav. Geneal.) Gilbert Venables, baron of Kinderton, whose father Gilbert Venables was the Norman grantee of Kinderton, Davenport, etc., before 1066.

(Ormerod)  Eight named children.

(Dav. Gen.) Second Baron of Kinderton.  Wife only named as Margaret.  No dates given for this family nor their two named ch.: Wm. & Amabilia.

(LDS) Names wife, gives dates, names all given children with dates.  Amabil's is obviously incorrect.

(Ormerod)  Baron of Kynderton, he died during the reign of Henry II.  Grandson of Gilbert de Venables, grantee of Kinderton.

(Dav. Geneal.) Gilbert Venables, baron of Kinderton, whose father Gilbert Venables was the Norman grantee of Kinderton, Davenport, etc., before 1066.

Married 1166.

Gilbert Venables, Baron of Kinderton

http://www.wallace-venable.name/Venable_Genealogy/Some_Venables_of_... (searchable)

See Gilbert on page 14

• see also: http://cybergata.com/roots/3808.htm for family background in Evreux, Normandy