Guy de Bryan, Knt., of Walwyn's Castle

Baron of Chastel Walweyn this is Welsh version of Walwyn's Castle

“The castle no longer remains in any form except a mound in a field, but the village Walyns Castle does exist. It is in Pembrokeshire, South West Wales close to where I live.”

Guy de Bryan, Knt., of Walwyn's Castle, Pembrokeshire, Batdeford (in Ipplepen), Clifton Dartmouth and Hardnegs, and Tor Bryan, Devon, etc., was born Abt. 1289 in Walwyns Castle, Pembrokeshire, Wales, and died after 27 Jan 1344 / Abt. 1347 in England.

He was the son of Guy de Brian and his wife Sybil Sully.

He married Anne (or Alice) Holwey Bef. 1311 in England, daughter of Unknown Hogan [Lord]. She was born Bet. 1280 - 1293 in Walwyns Castle, Pembrokeshire, Wales, and died Aft. 1343 in England, daughter of Walter Holwey who was born circa 1265 in Devon, England.

Children of Guy Bryan and Anne Holwey are:

• Guy V De14 Bryan [Baron Bryan], born 1311 in Walwyns Castle, Pembrokeshire, Wales; died August 17, 1390 in England.
• ?Jane De Bryan, born Abt. 1325.

Disputed child

• + 600 ii. ?Elizabeth De Bryan , born Abt. 1321 in Of, Somersetshire, England. Evidence needed to support Elizabeth de Erleigh daughter of Guy de Bryan, Knt., of Walwyn's Castle

He married second after 1344 to Crisli verch Gruffudd Llwyd with no issue. She married second to Dafydd Moethe.

Research Notes

Origins

Source: Richardson, Douglas. Royal Ancestry: A Study In Colonial And Medieval Families, in 5 vols. (Salt Lake City, Utah, 2013), Vol. II, page 446.

After the death of Hugh Le Despenser, his widow, Elizabeth de Montagu, married (3rd) before 10 July 1350 (as his 2nd wife) Guy de Bryan (or Brian), K.G., son and heir of Guy de Bryan, by [Gwenllian, daughter of Gruffudd ap Lloyd.] [sic] He was born about 1309. They had three sons, Guy Knt., William, Knt., and Philip.

Comment: more likely his mother was Ann or Alice Holwey. Guy de Bryan’s second wife was Crisli verch Gruffudd, not her sister Gwenllian verch Gruffudd. They were the daughters of Gruffudd ap Rhys, nicknamed Llwyd. See P. C. Bartrum: Welsh Genealogies AD 300-1400, Marchudd 17 (document attached)

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Holwey-1

"C.P. 2 (1912): 361-362 (sub Bryan) includes a good account of the life of Guy de Bryan, K.G., Lord Bryan (died 1390). The editor states 'he appears to have m. 1stly, before 1343/4, Ann, or Alice, da. and h. of William Holway, of Holway, Devon, but she was possibly his father's wife.'"

"C.P. 5 (1926): 463 (sub Fitzpayn) states that Sir Guy de Bryan's first wife was named Joan. In footnote e on page 463, it is states that Joan, 1st wife of Guy, was living 12 April 1348, citing as its source Papal Letters, vol. iii, pg. 450. No explanation is provided for the removal of Alice Holway given as Guy de Bryan's 1st wife in volume 2 of C.P."[1]

References

1. https://www.ancestry.com/boards/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=256&p=surname...
2. UK, A General and Heraldic Dictionary of the Peerages of England, Ireland, and Scotland, Extinct, Dormant, and in Abeyance, 1831. by the dietwn tf JCenihoorfft, for the redemption of his lands. This Guy de Brian, m. Eva^ only dau^ter and heireBS of Henry de Trad, and dying in the 3fth Edward I., was #. by his son, SIR GUYDEBRYAN, who..."- https://www.myheritage.com/research/record-90100-32193103/uk-a-gene...
3. The complete peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom : extant, extinct, or dormant. by Cokayne, George E. Vol 2, page 361-2. “BRYAN or BRIENE.” < Archive.Org > d. Guy de Brian, King's yeoman (valettus), and Alice his wife, were living 27 Jan. 1343/4. {Patent Roll). V.G.
4. Douglas Richardson post on SGM - https://soc.genealogy.medieval.narkive.com/tSTEBle8/cp-addition-mar...
5. https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Holwey-1 comments : “Gwenllian [sic: Crisli] ferch Gruffudd is shown as wife of Guy Brionne and father of Sir Guy who married Joan Carew” cites
6. https://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p650.htm#... (has errors) cites
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   2. [S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. II, p. 69-70.
   3. [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. I, p. 222.
   4. [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. II, p. 446.
   5. [S11568] The Complete Peerage, by Cokayne, Vol. II, p. 362, notes.
   6. [S11588] Some Early English Pedigrees, by Vernon M. Norr, p. 39.
   7. [S11568] The Complete Peerage, by Cokayne, Vol. III, p. 149
   8. See Peter Bartrum, https://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/4730/Marchud... (May 25, 2019;Anne Brannen, curator) (link moved)
7. J.J. Alexander (1936). "The Early Owners of Torbryan Manor". Retrieved 10 January 2023. < link >