Hawise de Clare

Confirmation that Geoffrey married Hawise de Clare is given by a charter of about 1235 issued by his widow Hawise de Clare and his son William relating to property in Edmonton, Middlesex. There is also a record dated 1215 of Geoffrey having knights' fees held from the Earl of Clare by "free-marriage".

From Gen-Medieval Archives - 1 Nov 2007 posting of Douglas Richardson re: Complete Peerage Addition: Hawise de Clare, wife of Geoffrey de Say, Magna Carta Baron < link > accessed on 5 March 2024

Children of Geoffrey de Say, by Hawise de Clare:

i. WILLIAM DE SAY, Knt., son and heir. GEOFFREY DE SAY died while in service in Poitou 19 August 1230. He was buried at the Hospital of St. Mary, Dover, Kent, to which he had given the manor of Coldred with his body. His widow, Hawise, joined their son, William de Clare [sic: de Say] , in a charter dated c.1235 regarding property in Edmonton, Middlesex.

ii. GEOFFREY DE SAY. On 14 October 1246 Geoffrey de Say "brother of William de Say" gave a bond to Aaron son of Abraham the Jew for £30, a moiety to be paid at the quinzaine of Michaelmas next, and the other moiety at the same term next following. Desc. Cat. of Ancient Deeds 3 (1900): 447.

iii. JOHN DE SAY, Knt. He witnessed a charter of his brother, William de Say, after 1264. He is possibly the John de Say whose heir in 1302 at Frant, Sussex was William de Bromfeld. Arch. Cantiana 5 (1863): 221-222. Feudal Aids 5 (1908): 132.

References

1. WikiTree contributors, "Hawise (Clare) de Say (abt.1184-aft.1235)," WikiTree: The Free Family Tree, (https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Clare-627 : accessed 05 March 2024). cites
   1. Douglas Richardson. Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 4 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham. 2nd edition. Salt Lake City, UT: the author, 2011, vol. III, pages 495-497 SAY 1. < GoogleBooks >
   2. Richardson. Magna Carta Ancestry, 2011, vol. I, page 449 CLARE 1.vi.
   3. Complete Peerage does not list this marriage, it has conflated Geoffrey with both his father and his half-brother and so does Burke's Peerage and some other secondary sources.
   4. Gen-Medieval Archives - 1 Nov 2007 posting of Douglas Richardson re: Complete Peerage Addition: Hawise de Clare, wife of Geoffrey de Say, Magna Carta Baron < link > accessed on 5 March 2024
2. Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 2nd edition (Salt Lake City, Utah, 2013), volume IV, pages 562-564. < link > citations include
   1. Paget Baronage of England (1957) 485: 3-4 (sub Say), cites Cl. 16 John m. 7) Gerald Paget notes that Geoffrey de Say had scutage of the knights fees 7 March 1215, which he held of the Earl of Clare in free-marriage.
   2. O'Connor Cal. Cartularies of John Pyel & Adam Fraunceys (Camden Soc. 5th Ser. 2) (1993): 240). < link > PDF Page 14, Book page 240, item # 271. About 1235 Geoffrey's widow, Hawise, and their son, William de Say, jointly issued a charter regarding property in Edmonton, Middlesex. [Charter of William, son of Geoffrey de Say, and Avice (Awisia) de Clare …”. Footnote "MS Aelesia". [Date: 1230 x 1272] [WAM 261]