Jean de Lalaing, baron de Lalaing, sénéchal d'Ostrevant

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Seigneur de Lalaing et Bugnicourt. Sénéchal d'Ostrevant. Prévôt de Saint-Amé de Douai en 1437 et de Saint Lambert de Liège en 1443. Il est dit avoir refusé de se marier et d'avoir eu une liaison avec la fille du meunier de Lalaing de laquelle il eut 4 fils et une fille (Blance). Il vendit de nombreux biens et charges à ses cousins (Josse de Lalaing et Arnould de Lalaing). Agé de 75 il finit par épouser la mère de ses enfants afin de les légitimer.
Available Sources : F Brassart, 1879, FV Goethals, 1862.
Birth, death: F Brasssart, 1879.
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Jean de Lalaing ° ~1421 (Lalaing)
+ 12/1498 (Lalaing) (inh. at the Cordeliers of Douai)
- baron of Lalaing,
- lord of Bugnicourt, Licenciate in decree,
- Provost of Saint-Amé of Douai (1437, replaces Raoul Le Maire)
- then of Saint Lambert de Liège (clerk, 1443),
- Sénéchal d'Ostrevant
(dissipated and inconsistent, is led to sell on 24/09/1481 the barony of Lalaing to his cousin Josse, lord of Montigny, son of Simon; resigns his prebends, in particular his Provost of Liège to Arnoul de Lalaing, his cousin) (ordinarily resides in Douai at the Hôtel de la Vieille Trinité, since Seminary street of Esquerchin)

liaison then married ~ 1494 Catherine Wiette (or Le Waitte) (daughter of the Miller of Lalaing) (His arms: "Argent, with the iron of mill of sand")

posterity (at least 5 children), branch of Bugnicourt & Hordain (legitimized by subsequent marriage in 1494) extinction in 1585 in the Lannoy & Sainte-Aldegonde

Pattou, Etienne. “Famille & Seigneurs De Lalaing.” Racines et Histoire :
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JEAN, seigneur de Lalaing, de Bugnicourt
etc., seneschal of Ostrevant, born around 1421, in the castle of his fathers, was given rich ecclesiastical benefits at an early age, in his capacity as cadet; Provost of Saint-Amé de Douai in 1437 (in place of Raoul Le Maire) and of Saint-Lambert de Liége in 1443, licentiate in decree, he "was a great cleric and well read, beautiful and venerable," says the biographer of the Bon Chevalier, writing around 1465; but his morals were affected by the general corruption. His disorders and the mischief which followed are thus recounted on page 17 of the genealogy of Croy and Lalaing, drawn up around 1566 and whose manuscript belongs to M. A. Favier (59).

"Jehan de Lalaing, son of messire Guillamme and the daughter of Crequy, prouost of Lieges and Saint Amé en Douay, after the death of his father was lord of Lalaing, retaining his benefices near his death, although before the death of his father, he was often asked and solicited to resign them and to ally himself with some lady or damsel. But he was never willing to obey, and retaining his benefices he joined a young woman, daughter of the lord of Lalaing, from whom he had two natural sons and a daughter named Blance. Cedit Jehan, after the death of his father, found his segries and lands heavily loaded and spended, and considering that he had no legitimate heirs to succeed to his said segries deliberated to deal withq. Sir Josse de Lalaing, his first cousin, son of Sir Symon de Lalaing, son of Otte, and sgr of Montigny and Hantes, on the shadow of putting the name, arms and sgries of Lalaing together : because after the death of the aforementioned Jehan, the sgrie of Lalaing came to the children of Ysabeau, his sister, lady of Brederode, and thus the name and arms died. Therefore he sold to the said Josse the sgrie and barony of Lalaing, for some sums of money of which he is satisfied, but he kept it, during his life, and the said Josse was adhered to it for himself and his heirs.

"And in about the year 1480, the aforementioned Jehan began to dispose of his benefices, leasing his property in Liege to lord Arnoul de Lalaing, his first cousin on his maternal [read: paternal] side. And in about the year 1494, aged 75, then very rich in cash, married and married the mother of his children, legitimizing them to be dressed to succeed in all his sgries that he then had.

Master Jean de Lalaing, who was called "Monseigneur Jehan" for convenience, although he does not seem to have ever had the dignity of a knight, usually resided in Douai in a vast hotel, known as "la Vièse Trinité" (because the Trinitarians had stayed there in the 13th century) and which became the seminary of the Bishops around 1590, located on the southern row of the rue d'Esquerchin. He died in Lalaing in December 1498 and is buried at the Cordeliers de Douai.

Jean de Lalaing and Catherine WIETTE, daughter of the miller of Lalaing (whose coat of arms was given as Argent with a mill iron of Sable), had at least five children (60):

1° Pontus I de Lalaing, knight, lord of Bugnicourt, bailiff of Orchies in 1499 (then qualified as a squire), several times "captain" of the city of Douai (i.e. military governor in times of war), married, around 1495, Bonne DE WASSENAERE (61).

We see, in an account of the great bailliage of Hainaut (October 1, 1490 - September 30, 1491, f° j v°), that "monsr Jehan, lord of Lalaing, deshireta of his fief, chasteau, city, land, justice and seignoury of Villers or Tertre, and of another fief named of Bantimont, lying rather prez of Bugnicourt, being included.In ploughable lands, meadows and rents of wheat", because of the "sale that he made to Ponthus de Lalaing, his natural son", for the price of seven thousand livres. A decree, dated from Malines, on December 8, 1490, remitted half of the rights due to the sovereign, in favor of "Ponius, bastart de Lalaing, escuier" (Id., f°xiiij).

By a transaction of March 8, 1504 (v. st.), made with his cousin Charles, lord of Lalaing (second branch, XIII), it was agreed that each of them would have the right to full arms.

He usually resided in Douai and in his castle of Villers-au-Tertre; he was the main inhabitant of our town.

2° Artus de Lalaing, who follows.

3° Sidrach de Lalaing, licentiate in decrees, provost of Saint-Pierre de Douai (1508-1532), dean and canon of Saint-Omer (1512-1533), died on June 28, 1533; lies in the church of Saint-Omer where one still sees his elegant tomb.

4° Hercule de Lalaing, knight, lord of Wandosme, died in 1539, lying in the church of Saint-Barthélemy of Béthune; husband of Jeanne DU MONT-BERNENCHON.

5° Blanche de Lalaing married, around 1480, Philippe DE QUARELEMONT known as de Dion, squire: (Goethals, Miroir, II, pages 501 and 707), whom the genealogy of Croy and de Lalaing designates as follows: " the sgr of Rosiers near Wanres " (62), whose posterity.

(59) Le même récit est copié dans un manuscrit généalogique «fait, peinct et escrit », vers 1580, par Engelbert de Goux dit de Wedergraet, capitaine d'infanterie au régiment d'Egmont, descendant d'Isabeau de Lalaing, dame de Boussu. Une copie de ce Ms. existait au château de Wagnonville (communication due à l'obligeance de M. Amédée deTernas). La généalogie de Lalaing, insérée dans le recueil de Malotau de Villerode, reproduit également ce récit, mais en lui enlevant sa naïveté primitive.
(60) On remarquera leurs prénoms bizarres. C'était l'époque où les héros dès romans de chevalerie et de la mythologie préoccupaient les esprits au moins autant que les martyrs chrétiens,le prévôt Jean de Lalaing paraît avoir goûté les idées de son temps.
(61)Pontus Heuterus, p. 63 de ses Genealogioe, l'appelle Catherine: il se trompe encore, quand il ajoute que, mariée au fils du comte de Lalaing, elle mourut en 1476.
(62) Nous trouvons dans un compte du grand bailliage de Hainaut (1er janvier 1444 , vieux style—31 décembre 1445, f° 1 v°) que « Willamme de Quarelemont , demorant à Dion en le Val empres Wauure en Brabant, le v° jour dauril , se desherita de la ville, terre, justice et seignourie de Le Hestre, quil tendit en fief, à cause de Bertris de Boussut, se feme , et dont il auoit à ce jour hoir vivant "; ladite terre, chargée du douaire de « dame Bertris de Goegnies " et de beaucoup d'autres " quierques ", était achetée par Jean de Le Hestre, écuyer, moyennant 35(1 livres tournois. détails curieux sur la famille d'Artus de Lalaing; ce testament fut « empris », après la mort de la testatrice, le 10 septembre 1513 (63). Après avoir élu sépulture au couvent des frères prêcheurs, elle dispose d'une seonyette « pour servir Mr de Hordaing et mademle de Hordaing [sa femme], quand ils recevront le corps de Jh. Crist en leur cappelle, » et elle ajoute : « Que Mr mon bon maistre ayt mes oeures que je porte à l'eglise tous les jours, et aussi mademle ma bonne maistresse ayt ma boiste à porter coeuvre chiefz, qui est de cuir bouilly. »

Brassart, Felix, Société Académique, editor. Souvenirs De La Flandre Wallonne, Catalogue des Nobels de Nom, de Lalaing, Dix-Septieme, L. Crépin, 1882. un Comite Historique et Archeologique: Memories of Walloon Flanders: pp. 47-51.
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JEAN de Lalaing (-17 Dec 1498, bur Douai Cordéliers). A charter dated 16 Jul 1468 records an enquiry into the property “délaissés par le trépas de feu messire Jacques de Lalaing”, with the consent of “messire Guillaume seigneur de Lalaing, Jean et messire Antoine ses enfants”[519]. The testament of “Guillaume seigneur de Lallain...”, dated 4 Sep 1473, donated property for the souls of his three deceased sons, approved by “nostre...filz aisne et heritier apparent maistre Jehan de Lalain”[520]. An epitaph at Douai Cordéliers records the burial of “Jehan baron de Lalaing, seigneur de Bugnicourt, Fressaing, Monchicourt, Hourdain et de Brébières, sénéchal d’Ostrevant” who died 17 Dec 1498[521]. Mistress: CATHERINE Wiette, daughter of ---. A Généalogie de Croy et de Lalaing, written in [1566], records that “Jehan de Lalaing, iie fils de messire Guillamme et de la fille de Crequy...“ lived with “une...fille au monnier de Lalaing” by whom he had four sons and one daughter “Blance”[522]. The Catalogue des Lalaing lists these illegitimate children and their descendants[523].

Cawley, Charles. “NORTHERN FRANCE-CAMBRAI, DOUAI, VALENCIENNES.” Medieval Lands, Foundation for Medieval Genealogy, 24 Mar. 2022, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfracado.htm#_Toc44147371''

(Curator note: while Mr. Cawley says that Catherine Wiette was a mistress and the children illegitimate, this was so only until 1494 when Jean married Catherine and had the children legitimized, “ "And in about the year 1480, the aforementioned Jehan began to dispose of his benefices, leasing his property in Liege to lord Arnoul de Lalaing, his first cousin on his maternal [read: paternal] side. And in about the year 1494, aged 75, then very rich in cash, married and married the mother of his children, legitimizing them to be dressed to succeed in all his sgries that he then had.” (Brassart, 48).