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About Jehan Dumoys / Dumay / Demers
http://famillesdemers.org/en/2015/06/10/fifth-first-generations Jehan Dumoys was a rope maker in Autretôt, a village in Haute Normandie, in 1555. It was then a centre of Protestantism. The first Celtic tribe of “le pays de Caux” were known as “les calètes”. During the middle ages the region was colonized by the Vikings.
Jehan married Marguerite Berservoyse in Autretot (France), 27 November 1555. They had a daughter, Marie in 1556 and Jehan who married Elisabeth Henze in 1596 and Adrien who married Catherine Pougnye in 159
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Entries: 4601 Updated: 2015-06-09 18:49:02 UTC (Tue) Contact: Wesley H. Clark Index | Descendancy | Register | Download GEDCOM | Add Post-em ID: I1392 Name: Jehan Dumoys (Dumays) Surname: (Dumays) Given Name: Jehan Dumoys Sex: M Birth: ABT 1525 in Autretot, France _UID: A6369951119B8241A824365B813E564BF2D3 Note: From the Demers Association Website
Two New Generations in the Ancestry of the First Three Ancestors of the Demers in America
- Excerpt from the document : Notes sur les familles immédiates et l?ascendance des premiers ancêtres des Demers d?Amérique : Étienne, André et Jean Dumay (Dumets, Dumetz) presented in Dieppe, Normandy (France), on September 20th, 1998, during the "retour aux sources " Journey of the Demers d?Amérique.
Since its constitution, the Association was able to identify the first ancestors of the Demers d?Amérique and their origins on the basis of the information gathered and compiled by a number of its members for a few decades. It was already possible to state that those ancestors were : Étienne, André and Jean Dumay (Dumets, Dumetz) and that they originated from Dieppe (Saint-Jacques), Normandy (France). In order to validate and extend this information the Association initiated a comprehensive genealogical research. On one hand, some members who had precious informations accepted to give them on to the Association and to work within this institutional framework. On the other hand, the Association retained the services of Mrs. Anne Osselin, a researcher in genealogy in Rouen (France) in order to advance the research in the land of our first ancestors and shed light on their ancestry and the descendants of their sister, Catherine and their brother, Laurent.
The Association can in no way offer here all the information pertaining to the first ancestors of the Demers d?Amérique because all genealogical researches are complex, especially in France. Will it be possible to reach that goal one day? The Association does not think so. It nevertheless accepts the responsibility of attesting that all informations exchanged are true on the basis of the exactness with which Mrs. Osselin and the members-researchers gathered them.
Established ancestry in the Pays de Caux (Normandy)
We have traced the baptismal certificate of three of the children of Jean Dumay (the father); all three were baptized in the parish of Saint-Jacques-de-Dieppe :
André Dumay (Dumetz) whose baptismal certificate reads : " on February 3rd 1628, André son of Jean Dumets and Barbe Maugé, n p André Olivet and Marguerite Morieux ".
Catharine Dumay (Dumais) whose baptismal certificate states : " baptized on Sunday May the 5, 1629, daughter of Jean Dumais and Barbe Maugé, n p Catherine Bontemps and Jean Maugé ". In Barbe Maugé?s (her mother) inhumation certificate, one can see that Catharine was the wife of Hubert Métais. That couple had eight children between 1649 and 1667, who were all baptized in the parish of Saint- Jacques-de-Dieppe.
Laurent Dumay (Du Metz) whose baptismal certificate reads : " baptized on October 1st, 1635, son of Jean du Metz and Barbe Maugé, n p Laurent Jacques and Marguerite Maugé ". We have no evidence that Laurent Dumay was married. He seems to have quickly disappeared. We surmise that he died at a young age.
The results of our researches did not reveal any historical data pertaining to Miotte Lecombe, except for the fact that she is the first wife of Jean Dumay (the father) and the mother of Étienne.
Regarding Barbe Mauger, the results of our researches about her identity are a bit more elaborated. Her inhumation certificate reads : " In Saint-Jacques-de-Dieppe, on July 12th, 1669, was buried in the aforementioned church Barbe Mauger widow of Jean Dumets approximately 70 years old deceased the day before in the presence of Hubert Metais son-in-law of the aforesaid and Michel Mauger (sig.) Th Maillard ".
The researches relating to the ancestry in France on the first ancestors of the Demers were very exacting. The whole Normandy and especially its harbour, its catholic and protestant registries, and its notarized acts greatly suffered during the war with England at the end of the 17th century. Besides there are no notarized acts left today dating before 1667. The protestant registries were destroyed during the bombing of Dieppe in 1694 and many other important archives disappeared at that time. One must also remember that Dieppe was almost completely sweep over during the Reform by Jean Venobles and his followers who were preaching in that city as soon as 1550.
The era of the descendants of our first ancestors, during the 16th century, is a period underlaid by the end of the religious wars. The protestant given names that still remain at that point are a reminder of the last 50 years, when Dieppe was the capital of High-Norman Protestantism. The most significant comment has to do with the unfortunate priest of Dieppe who was thrown out of his church by the Protestants, who after that performed their devotion there for about one year. Likewise in Autretot, where the Protestants took over the old church, called Saint-Vincent-des-Bois, to establish a chair after the Edict of Nantes in 1598.
These examples show to what extent the " new religion " ventured in the countryside. Hence the problem of finding documents relating to our ancestors. " Holes " in the archives leave us with some unanswered questions.
Although we know that the Lecombe family was living in Dieppe for a long time, we can not find any information referring to Miotte?s (Miette) birth because it occured well before 1599. She could be the daugther of Mahiel, the only procreator in the Lecombes at that time. The fact that we find protestant given names within the Lecombes and the godfathers and godmothers of the other families at that point is quite puzzling : Mahiel, Salomon, David, Zacharie, Judith. The Capitaine Bontemps was a protestant. Is it his daughter who is the godmother of Catharine Dumay (Dumais) ?
Barbe Mauger?s family has also been in Saint-Jacques-de-Dieppe since very ancient times. Barbe, whose father's given name is Jehan, might have been born in the first months of 1599. She was preceded by her sisters Anne and Catherine. The presence of all the sisters at the family baptisms demonstrates their kindship. Barbe becomes a godmother in Dieppe in March 1625.
A branch of the Mauger less important than the one from Saint-Jacques settled in Saint-Rémi as soon as 1551. The family ties are strong enough for Barbe to be a godmother in 1618 and to give her name to Thomas Mauger?s daughter. She indeed liked that parish and its parishioners : she marries Pierre Mainfray there in 1620. Barbe gets remarried with Jean Dumay (the father) around 1626-1627. Before that, a notary act of Rouen in 1555 mentioning Jehan Dumays, rope maker from Autretot, allows us to learn more about the ancestry of our own ancestors. A compilation of all the acts for the Dumoys/Dumays of Autretot shows that there were adults of that name, in the records that were kept, as soon as the beginning of year 1546. There is one Jehan Dumay, rope maker, who is 23 years old in 1555, and another Jean Dumays who gets married, that same year, with a girl from Roquefort, Marguerite Berservoyse. The latter was probably older since according to the custom one has to be at least 30 to get married in the countryside. So when a rope maker or another tradesman states that he is from Autretot, it means he was born there and not necessarily that he lives there. Jehan and Marguerite, the newlywed, have a daughter, Marie as soon as 1556. After that, the couple disappears from Autretot.
One must not forget that in the remote countryside, the men, often labourers of craftsmen, rent themselves for the harvest season, the winter labours or according to the orders for the rope makers. The disappearance of the couple from the village lasts 13 years. In that period, children are born in various locations, depending of the duties. We have traced some information on a few of them. - Jehan (the son), who marries Elisabeth Henze in 1596 and becomes a father that same year; - Adrien, who marries Catherine Pougnye, in Étoutteville, in 1594; that couple would be the parents of Jehan, born around 1595, who is in fact Jean Dumay, the father of our first ancestors; he is traced in Dieppe (Saint-Jacques) in 1626; - Magdeleine, born in 1559; - Adélise, a daughter with a lovely name, whose year of birth is unknown but who is a godmother in 1595.
Those four children were born in the period of fertility of the couple, from 1555 to 1575 more or less. Being older, the couple Jehan Dumays and Marguerite Berservoyse came back to the village of Autretot.
The registers of Étoutteville was considered because of the presence of Adrien, mentioned in the registers of Autretot. The registers also start in 1546 in that city. The complete lack of Dumoys in Étoutteville until 1594 allows us to state our strong belief that Autretot would be the origin of the established ancestry of our first ancestors.
Considering the results of researchers done in the registers of Autretot and Étoutteville, we can identify the sequence of the generations. Adrien, son of Jehan and Marguerite, born between 1556 and 1569, marries Catherine Pougnye in 1594 in the parish of his fiancé, Étoutteville. We know almost all of their children, except those who were born between 1602 and 1607. But the largest gap comes from the lack of information on the births between 1594 and 1600, especially as the parents who were elsewhere at that time gave birth to the one we are most interested in, Jehan (Jean) who appears as godfather in 1621 and is clearly said son of Adrien. Born between 1595 and 1599, he is the father of our first three ancestors : Étienne, André and Jean Dumay.
The identification of two more generations in the ancestry of our own ancestors is quite an accomplishment. Will it be possible to go back further in time? We do not think so. The Association will nevertheless keep up its work to validate its information on the ancestry of the Demers and the origin of their first ancestors.
References : DEMERS, Marcel, Bibliographical notes on Jean Dumay, the father, Miotte Lecombe and Barbe Mauger-Maugis, July 1997. OSSELIN, Anne, Rouen, France. Research Notes, 1997-1998. Change Date: 30 Nov 2006 at 14:59:13
Marriage 1 Marguerite Berservoyse b: ABT 1535 in Roquefort, Landes, France Married: 27 Nov 1555 in Autretot, France Children Has No Children Adelise Dumays Has No Children Jehan Dumays Has No Children Magdeleine Dumays b: 1559 Has Children Adrien Dumoys b: 1556/1569 in St. Jacques Dieppe, Normandy, France
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Autretot, Seine-Maritime, Haute-Normandie, France
Dieppe, Seine-Maritime, Haute-Normandie, France
Autretot, Seine-Maritime, Haute-Normandie, France