Joan de la Spine

Not the same as Joan de Cocton

“Co heiress of Simon de Cocton, who may have been her brother.“. However, evidence is lacking. From http://nielsenhayden.com/genealogy-tng/getperson.php?personID=I1129...

“Given in various sources as Joan de Cocton or de Kinwarton, or both, daughter of a Ranulph and a Christiana, but the evidence seems lacking. This William's wife was a Joan; as far as we can tell, that's all that's known with any certainty.“

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Descendants

Children

• 1. Roger de Spineto, d. Abt 1298
• 2. Walter de Spineto, d. Yes, date unknown
• 3. Henry de Spineto, d. Yes, date unknown
• 4. William de la Spine, d. 1317

Disambiguation

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Cocton-10

It was surmised by C.W. Throckmorton[1] that Joan was the daughter of Ranulph de Cocton, however there is a century between them. She has since been conflated with Joan de Cocton, wife of Robert Cocton, and their daughter Joan de Kinewarton.

She also has been confused with Joan de Cocton, wife of Hugh de Norfolk, all of whom were joined in a grant of land in Samborne and Coughton in 1275.

The Heraldry of Worcestershire: Being a Roll of the Arms Borne by ..., Volume 2 By Henry Sydney Grazebrook Page 543. GoogleBooks

SPINEY, or De SPINETO; as quartered by Throckmorton, and (through Tracy) by Folliott, of Pirton. Sir Guy de Spineto, or Spiney, of Coughton, co. Warwick, had, by his wife, the heiress of Wyke, two daughters, his coheiresses, Alice, married to William Tracy, of Todington, co. Gloucester, and Eleanor, married to Sir John Throckmorton. Sir Guy was M.P. for Warwickshire temp. Richard II., and escheator of that county and of Leicestershire. His father, William, had notable employments in the former county in the reign of Edward III., and was grandson of William de la Spine, or Spiney, who married Joan, daughter and co-heiress of Sir John de Cocton, now called Coughton.-Sable, a chevron argent between three crescents or. See OLNEY.

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The antiquities of Warwickshire illustrated from records, leiger-books, manuscripts, charters, evidences, tombes, and armes : beautified with maps, prospects and portraictures Dugdale, William, Sir, 1605-1686. Link

To him succeeded another Simon, who in 5 H. 3. confirmed yto the Canons of Studley their right in the advouson of this Church at Cocton: which Si∣mon was a Knight z; but having no issue male left his two daughters his heirs, Ceciliea married to Iohn de la Mare, and Joan to William de Spi∣neto, whereby, it seems, that this Lordship came by partition to Spine; for I find that Roger de Spine son c to the said William and Ioan, past d a∣way the inheritance of it to Godfrey Giffard Bishop of Worcester in 17 E. 1.

Pedigree

(Has errors)

• a. Will. de Cocton.
  • Ranulphus de Cocton 12. H. 2.
    • Simon de Cocton 1. Ioh. - bSibilla.
      • Sim. de Cocton miles 5. H. 3. - cConstantia filia Will. de Parco.
        • Cecilia ux. Ioh. de la Mare.
        • Iohanna 8. E. 1. - Will. de Spineto 8. E. 1. dRog. de Spineto 17. E. 1. (NOT Simon’s daughter, see Disambiguation)

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References

• 'Parishes: Coughton', in A History of the County of Warwick: Volume 3, Barlichway Hundred, ed. Philip Styles (London, 1945), pp. 74-86. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/warks/vol3/pp74-86 [accessed 17 March 2021]. ... To return to the other half of the Coughton lands of Ranulf; it is thought that the descendants of William his son, the knight of Coughton, (fn. 61) were Robert and William de Coctuna, who were living between 1151 and 1158, Robert dying without issue. (fn. 62) William's sons were Ranulf and Simon, but the Coughton lands are thought to have descended to Ranulf, who was one of the knights of the Abbot of Evesham in 1166, (fn. 63) and was living in 1184. (fn. 64) His heir was apparently that Simon son of Ranulf de Cocton who was con temporary with Ranulf of Kinwarton (see above). (fn. 65) Simon, who died at Alcester through falling off his horse when drunk, (fn. 66) had been succeeded by 1220 by his son Simon, (fn. 67) probably the same Simon who about 1241 gave to the monks of Alcester a place for a piggery and a load of firewood weekly in his wood of Coughton. (fn. 68) Simon married Constance daughter of William de Parco before 1226, (fn. 69) but was dead by 1274, when his widow is mentioned, and also their daughter Constance, who had married John son of Master John de Billesle. (fn. 70) Simon and Constance had other daughters. (fn. 71) One, whose name was Joan, is said to have been twice married: (fn. 72) first to Hugh de Burleye, with whom she joined in 1257 in enfeoffing William de Spineto of a half virgate in Coughton, (fn. 73) and subsequently to Hugh de Norfolk, who joined with her in 1274 in a further grant to William de Spyney (this time with Joan his wife) of land in Samborne and Coughton, together with the reversion of the third part thereof held by Constance widow of Simon de Cocton in dower. (fn. 74) ...
• https://www.c82.net/seats/seat/coughton-court It was afterwards held by a family who assumed their surname from hence. Simon de Cocton, or Coughton, left two daughters, one of whom, Joan, was married to William de Spineto, whereby this lordship came, by partition, to the Spiney family. Guy de la Spine left issue two daughters, one of whom, Alianore, married John, the son of Thomas Throckmorton, Esq., by which marriage, this lordship of Coughton, coming to the line of Throckmorton, hath continued therein to this day. This John died in 1455.
• https://www-personal.umich.edu/~bobwolfe/gen/mn/m32936x32938.htm
• https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/UUZSyYYMqRU/m/...
• http://nielsenhayden.com/genealogy-tng/getperson.php?personID=I1129... Cites
• The Blackmans of Knight's Creek: Ancestors and Descendants of George and Maria (Smith) Blackman by Henry James Young. Carlisle, Pennsylvania: 1980.
• The Antiquities of Warwickshire, Illustrated, from Records, Leiger-books, Manuscripts, Charters, Evidences, Tombes, and Armes, Beautified with Maps, Prospects, and Portraictures by William Dugdale. Second edition, revised by William Thomas. London: John Osborn and Thomas Longman, 1730.
• Not in the Cocton pedigree https://archive.org/details/genealogicalhist00thro_0/page/n107/mode...
• The Heraldry of Worcestershire: Being a Roll of the Arms Borne by ..., Volume 2 By Henry Sydney Grazebrook Page 543. GoogleBooks SPINEY, or De SPINETO; as quartered by Throckmorton, and (through Tracy) by Folliott, of Pirton. Sir Guy de Spineto, or Spiney, of Coughton, co. Warwick, had, by his wife, the heiress of Wyke, two daughters, his coheiresses, Alice, married to William Tracy, of Todington, co. Gloucester, and Eleanor, married to Sir John Throckmorton. Sir Guy was M.P. for Warwickshire temp. Richard II., and escheator of that county and of Leicestershire. His father, William, had notable employments in the former county in the reign of Edward III., and was grandson of William de la Spine, or Spiney, who married Joan, daughter and co-heiress of Sir John de Cocton, now called Coughton.-Sable, a chevron argent between three crescents or. See OLNEY. *https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Cocton-10 It was surmised by C.W. Throckmorton[1] that Joan was the daughter of Ranulph de Cocton, however there is a century between them. She has since been conflated with Joan de Cocton, wife of Robert Cocton, and their daughter Joan de Kinewarton. She also has been confused with Joan de Cocton, wife of Hugh de Norfolk, all of whom were joined in a grant of land in Samborne and Coughton in 1275.