Johannes Davit Grootschel, SV/PROG

Note: On his son, Johan Davit Grisel's Birth Records, his name as the father, is also written as Johan Davit Grisel.

GRIESEL / GRIESSEL Johannes David Grootschel v. Kopenhagen. In 1750 is hy op die Deense skip Elephant wat naby Mosselbaai strand. Hy dien twee jaar as kneg by Casper Hendrik Badenhorst, later in diens v. heemraad N. Vlok. Die spelling v.d. van verander mettertyd in die doopboeke v. Land van Waveren, op 16.8.1761 nog Grootschel in 1771 Grisschel = in 1794 Grisel, teen 1800 Griesel x 11.5.1760 Anna Maria Jacoba PELSER - Sourch SAG
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Marriage

NGK Land van Waveren

1760, den 11 Maij Johannes David Grootschel van Coppenhagen, jongman burger alhier met Anna Maria Jacoba Peltzer van Cabo de Goede Hoop, jonge dogter

Additional notes: "scribe has inserted, after Johannes David Grootschel the words - of J:D: Grisschel - presumably he was uncertain of what he could read on the marriage licence"

- Nederduits Gereformeerde Gemeente (NGK), Labd van Waveren ,Cape. marriage register, 1744-1839, page 10. Repository: NG Kerkargief, Noordwal-Wes, Stellenbosch, G4 9/1. on http://www.eggsa.org/cgi-bin/searchMarriages.pl

Marriage record:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSVD-5S4N-6?cc=147...

GRIESEL

Johannes David Griesel

of Grootschel v. Kopenhagen, x 11.5.1760 Anna Maria Jacoba Pelser.

1. GR - C C de Villiers. Vol 2 bygewerk deur Cor Pama

2. Judi Marais-Meyer register - PELSER

GRIESEL / GRIESSEL

Johannes David Grootschel v. Kopenhagen. In 1750 is hy op die Deense skip Elephant wat by Gouritz mond op 8 Augustus 1750 strand. Die skip was onder bevel van Kapt Andries Evertsz Gimstra. Hy dien twee jaar as kneg by Casper Hendrik Badenhorst, later in diens v. heemraad N. Vlok.

Die spelling v.d. van verander mettertyd in die doopboeke v. Labd van Waveren, op 16.8.1761 nog Grootschel in 1771 Grisschel = in 1794 Grisel, teen 1800 Griesel x 11.5.1760 Anna Maria Jacoba PELSER

sag VOL 2 p943

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Trou te Land van Waveren op 11 MEI 1760 met Anna Maria Jacoba PELTZER (a1b2c3).

Johannes David GROOTSCHEL was van Kopenhagen.

In 1750 was hy op die Deense skip Elephant wat naby Mosselbaai gestrand het.

Hy was twee jaar kneg vir C. H. BADENHORST, en later in diens van Heemraad N. VLOK.

(J.A. Heese & R.T.J. Lombard Suid Afrika Geslag)

Die spelling van sy van verander in Lsnd vah Waveren
se doopregister van:-

GROOTSCHEL in 1761

GRISCHEL in 1771

GRISEL in 1776

GRIESEL in 1800

Geen PELTZER dope tussen 1745 en 1754 kon in die Kaap, Paarl, Stellenbosch, Tulbagh en Zwartland (die enigste gemeentes van daardie tyd) opgespoor word nie. Abraham Jacobus PELSER (nie a1b2c4d1 nie, want hy was toe nog te jonk) en ene Willemina Christina NN was doopgetuies by 'n 1794 doop in Graaff-Reinet, maar hul name is nêrens elders aangeteken nie-of hulle getroud was en kinders gehad het, kon nie vasgestel word nie.

Bron: Die Geslagsregister van die familie PELSER, PELSTER, PELSZER, PELTSER, PELTZER en PELZER in Suid-Afrika sedert 1708 deur R. DE V. PIENAAR, Stellenbosch, 2004. Bl. 8.

(Y. DROST, 14 OKT 2009)

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The Shipwreck of the Elephant (1750): Danish ship commanded by Captain Andries Evertsz Grimstra. Run ashore close to Gourits River while on a homeward-bound voyage from Tranquebar, India on 8 August 1750. She was trying to reach Mossel Bay, but was wrecked on purpose in an effort to save the lives of the desperately sick crew. No lives were lost; the crew of 65 walked to Cape Town.• Cape Archives, V.C.29]

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Biography

SAG nr.

: Stamvader <ref name="text-305"/>

Name ===: Johannes David <ref name="text-305"/><ref name=ARRIE/><ref name=RONEL>WikiTree profile Griesel-58 created by Van_Heerden-335|Ronel Olivier 12 Dec 2014. Source: * Griesel register</ref><ref name=AND/><ref name=CRYSTAL/><ref name=PIEN/> (Grootschel <ref name="text-305">WikiTree profile Grooschel-1 created by Pienaar-305 | Schalk Pienaar 30 April 2014. Source:* MyPeoplePuzzle.net.</ref><ref name=AND/><ref name=PIEN>WikiTree profile Grootschel-2 created by Pienaar-305 | Schalk Pienaar, 14 March 2017. Source:* http://www.stamouers.com/stamouers/d-g/186-griesel-johannes-david</ref>) Griesel <ref name="text-305"/><ref name=ARRIE>WikiTree profile Griesel-10 created through the import of wikitree upload.ged on Jul 19, 2012 by Klopper-13 | Arrie Klopper. </ref><ref name=RONEL/><ref name=AND>WikiTree profile Griesel-15 created through theimport of Ancestors_Dippenaar Andre_noinfo.GED on Oct 23, 2012 by Dippenaar-12 | Andrew Dippenaar.</ref><ref name=CRYSTAL>WikiTree profile Griesel-195 created by Bruwer-90|Crystal Kilian, 12 November 2019. Source:

• As per baptism record of Abraham Jacobus Griesel</ref>

Birth ===: Date: Johannes was born about 1730 <ref name=PIEN/> / 1740 <ref name=AND/> / about 1745. <ref name=CRYSTAL/>: Place: Kopenhagen, Denmark <ref name="text-305"/><ref name=ARRIE/><ref name=AND/>

Immigration

:1750-08-08 <ref name=LH1>Source:* Shipwrecks of Mosselbay 2014 Verwysing deur Heyman-10 | Louis Heyman 2018-01-13</ref>:Elephant (1750) Danish ship commanded by Captain Andries Evertsz Grimstra. Run ashore close to Gourits River while on a homeward-bound voyage from Tranquebar, India on 8 August 1750. She was trying to reach Mossel Bay, but was wrecked on purpose in an effort to save the lives of the desperately sick crew. No lives were lost, the crew of 65 walked to Cape Town. (Cape Archives VC 29) <ref name=LH1/>

:p 477 1759 <ref name=LH2>Source:* Precis of the archives of the Cape of Good Hope Vol 17 Verwysing deur Heyman-10 | Louis Heyman 2018-01-13</ref> :: Groodschel, Johan David::of Copenhagin; belonged to the Danish Vessel wrecked near Mossel Bayin 1750. Permitted to remail here by Govener H Swellengrebel; was after that, a servant, for two years, of the agriculturest, Casper ::p 478 1759 Hendrik Batenhorst, and up to date, servant of the ex-heemraad Nicolaas Vlock. Asks for burgher papers. (Certificate of character annexd, signed N Vlock) (no 110)

: Date: 1750 <ref name="text-305"/>: From Copenhagen (Københavns Amt), Denmark on the the shiip "Elephant" that stranded near Mossel Bay <ref name="text-305"/>: Place: aan boord die Elephant wat strand naby Mosselbaai <ref name="text-305"/>: On the the ship "Elephant" that stranded near Mossel Bay, 1750, Copenhagen, Denmark. <ref name=RONEL/>

Occupation ===: Servant to Casper Hendrik Badenhorst, 1755, Cape Town. <ref name=RONEL/>: Date: 1755: Cape Town - servant to Casper Hendrik Badenhorst <ref name="text-305"/>

Marriage

:Date:1760-05-11 : Place: Dutch Reformed Church, Tulbagh ::Groom: Johannes David Grootschel ::Bride: Anna Maria Jacoba Peltzer <ref name="text-1"/> :::[http://www.eggsa.org/cgi-bin/searchMarriages.pl,'''1760, den 11 Maij, Johannes David Grootschel van Coppenhagen, jongman burger alhier, met Anna Maria Jacoba Peltzer van Cabo de Goede Hoop, jonge dogter] Additional notes: scribe has inserted, after Johannes David Grootschelthe words - of J:D: Grisschel - presumably he was uncertain of what he could read on the marriage licence<ref name="text-1">Source:* The Genealogical Society of South Africa: eGSSA branch, South African Records Transcribed. A selection of historical records transcriptions. Source: Nederduits Gereformeerde Gemeente (NGK), Tulbagh, Western Cape. marriage register, 1744-1839, page 10. Repository: NG Kerkargief, Noordwal-Wes, Stellenbosch, G4 9/1. Transcribed by Trysie Joubert, Marelize Keyzer, Marie Greyvenstein and Annatje Erasmus as part of the eGGSA Project, from VC 664, Cape Archives Repository. Seen and entered by Van_Heerden-335|Ronel Olivier June 01, 2015.</ref> : Johannes married Anna Maria Jacoba PELSER, daughter of Abraham PELSER and Engela Catharina ZAAIMAN, on 11 May 1760 in Tulbagh, Cape Province. (Anna Maria Jacoba PELSER was born in 1745 and was christened on 13 Jun 1745 in Stellenbosch, Cape). <ref name=RONEL/>

:KINDERS <ref name=SCHALK/>:::b1 Johanna Elizabeth gedoop 16 Aug 1761, X 25 Mei 1777 Albertus Viljoen::b2 Anna Dorothea gedoop 15 Jul 1764, X 14 Feb 1779 Jacob Johannes Kruger ::b3 Abraham Jacobus gedoop 16 Feb 1766, X Anna Maria Botma ::b4 Jacoba Johanna, X Joachim Jan Hendrik Victor ::b5 Frederica Elizabeth gedoop 6 Aug 1769, X Johannes Lodewyk Kruger ::b6 Engela Francina gedoop 17 Mei 1772, X Diederik Arnoldus Kruger::b7 Hendrik Jacobus gedoop 14 Nov 1773, X 18 Apr 1802 Anna Elizabeth Steenberg ::b8 Jacomina Jacoba gedoop 30 Apr 1776, X Joachim Jan Hendrik Victor ::b9 Martha Maria gedoop 30 Apr 1776, X 1794 Hendrik van Aswegen::b10 Barbara Margaretha gedoop Jun 1780, X 13 Maart 1796 Gerrit Steenkamp::b11 Johannes David gedoop 2 Jul 1781, X 18 Apr 1802 Engela CatharinaMagdalena Pelser, XX 28 Okt 1804 Hilletje Maria Steenkamp : Let op in Heese en Lombard word daar twee "b7" gegee. <ref name=SCHALK>Sources / Bronne:

• Heese en Lombard Seen and added by Pienaar-305|Schalk Pienaar 13 March 2017.</ref>

Death ===: Place: Graaff-Reinet, Cape [Province], [South Africa] <ref name="text-305"/>

Sources

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• Immigration: Arrived on the ship Elephant from Denmark - 1750 - Mossel Bay, Cape of Good Hope
  • Reference: MyHeritage Family Trees - SmartCopy: Oct 7 2020, 22:31:33 UTC