John McIlvane of Grimmett

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JOHN MCILVANE OF GRIMMETT

Evidence from the National Records of Scotland

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21 January 1631: Charter in favour of Joanni Hamiltoune de Barganie. Witness: Jo. M'Ilveane de Grummett . . . . . Registrum Magni Sigilli Regum Scotorum. The Register of the Great Seal of Scotland, A.D. 1620-1633, charter number 1885 on p. 640

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24 March 1632: Registrum Magni Sigilli Regum Scotorum. The Register of the Great Seal of Scotland, A.D. 1620-1633, charter number 1954 on p. 666

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24 March 1632: Registrum Magni Sigilli Regum Scotorum. The Register of the Great Seal of Scotland, A.D. 1620-1633, charter number 1955 on p. 666

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5 July 1632: Charter in favour of Davidi Kennedy de Kirkmichaell. Witness: Jo. M'Ilveane de Grummett . . . . . Registrum Magni Sigilli Regum Scotorum. The Register of the Great Seal of Scotland, A.D. 1620-1633, charter number 2029 on p. 692

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5 July 1632:Witness: Jo. M'Ilveane de Grummett . . . . . Registrum Magni Sigilli Regum Scotorum. The Register of the Great Seal of Scotland, A.D. 1620-1633, charter number 2034 on p. 694

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18 September 1634: Justices of the Peace for Carick . . . . . Johne McIlveane of Drummet. Register of the Privy Council of Scotland, Secnd Series, Vol. V., A.D. 1633-1635, p. 383

Biographical Account

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John McIlvain was born 1600 in Ayshire, Scotland (75), and died 1669. He married 1st Anna Corrie, Heiress of Thomastoun. The children of John and Ann McIlvaine were
1. Agnes (Alice) McIlvaine [Agnes (Alice) McIlvaine]
2. Helen McIlvane: [Helen McIlvane]
3. Marion McIlvane [Marion McIlvane]
4. Margaret McIlvaine [Margaret McIlvaine]
5. David McIlvane [David McIlvane]
6. John McIlvaine m. Anne Cunningham

John married 2nd Julianna Schaw. The children of John and Juliana McIlvane were
1. Alexander McILVANE, who married a Miss McADAM and lived at Aughnacloy, Ireland;
2. Quintin McIlvane of Grimmet
3. Gilbert who moved to County Antrim Ireland.

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From Genealogy.com: The Descendants of Alan McElveen

JOHN MCILVANE succeeded his father John about 1637. This is the same John mentioned in 1613 as Johnne Mcllvane, Younger of Grummett in a complaint against John Kennedy "In November last while reposing himself in sober manner within the Kaitchepoole of Maybole, he was there attacked and shamefully treated by Johnne Kennedy of Blairquhan and others with drawn sword in ane hand and a battoun in the uther he would have slain his pursuer had he not escaped by the providence of God and his awne bettir defence

The Glasgow Commissariat August 20, 1643 mentions Juliana Schaw, spouse of John Mcllvane of Grimmet. Her will names daughters Anne and Juliane Mcllvane. Juliane married Rev. Andrew Rodgers, Minister in Gastoun. Unlike England, where, upon marriage, the woman's property and wealth became the husband's, Scotland's law was very favorable to women. Custom also gave them equal rights to property and to head families. The children of John and Juliana McIlvane were Quentin McIlvane, who lived at Thomaston, heir and successor as Laird of Grinunet; Alexander McIlvane, who married a Miss McAdam and lived at Aughnacloy, Ireland; John McIlvane, who inherited Grinunet and married Anne Cwmingham; and Gilbert who moved to County Antrim Ireland

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From Genealogy.com: Romero Anton Mont-Alban-Anderssen Family Tree:Information about John McIlvain

Their daughter married David Kennedy of Drummelane and his sister in 1673, married a later Patrick MacIlvane of Grimmett.Thus John MacIlvean, styled Laird of Grimmett, but resident at Thomaston, who as a young man had been wounded at Ladycorse in 1601 - he lived a long and eventful life not dying until 1668.

After Anna [referring to Jane "Ann" Corrie, who brought Thomaston to the family] died, his second wife was Juliane Schaw, I think the daughter of Quintin Schaw of Grimmet who signed the National Covenant in 1636. Juliane could not have married John until 1633, and she had at least four children before she died in 1641, Quintin, Gilbert, Patrick and Anna. I do not get the impression that John was enthusiastic about political affairs.He ran a large merchant’s business from Thomaston, which was sited above thecliffs at Culzean, where there were caves most convenient for smuggling.

Genealogical Accounts

1. The Mcllvain Family Geneology Web Pages
2. Anglefire: The MacElwain Family in Scotland & Ireland

SmartCopy Reference

Updated from MyHeritage Family Trees via sister Margaret Kennedy (born Mcilvane) by SmartCopy: Feb 1 2015, 1:16:09 UTC

Curator's Note: The information below should be read and utilized with a very critical eye. Some of it has come from the writings of Gustave Anjou, a noted fabricator of family trees. Other of the material seems to have come from valid sources, but it all needs to be double-checked and sources confirmed before it is accepted as fact.

This John McIlvaine would be the one named as "John the Younger" who succeeded his father Patrick.

http://www.angelfire.com/ar2/fordad/mcilvainescot.html

PATRICK McILVANE succeeded his father, Gilbert, October 25, 1547, and became Laird of Grimmet for the years, 1547 to 1613. The estates at this time included Upper Grimmet, Lower or Nether Grimmet and Attiquin. The records of Frank McElvain list the children of Patrick and Isobel Kennedy as John (m Jane Corry), Patrick (m Jane Forrester 12-4-1615), Thomas, David, and Alexander. Thomas was alive in 1617 (Glasgow Commissariat). PBGR mentions Patrick apprenticed to William Haliburton in Edinburgh (probably son of Patrick and Jane Forrester.) A decree of absolution on record at Holyrood, February 1592, made by the Privy Council in favor of John, Earl of Cassilis, names five Mcllvanes Patrick Mcllvene, elder of Grimmet, John Mcllveanne of Grimmet, younger, John Mcllveanne of Auchenharrie, Gilbert Mcllveane, Flesheur, in Maybole, and David Mcllveane, Flesheur in Maybole. The word 'Flesheur' refers to the retailing of meats, or the flesh of animals for food. Other records indicate Alexander, whose will dated August 1, 1620 made him a resident of Ballantrae.

At Holyrood House, Edinburgh, 22 Feb. 1597, a document was signed by King James VI confirming the lands as follows 'The King as administrator,etc., confirms to one Patrick Mcllivane of Grumet (from whom Isobella Kennedy, his wife, is conveyed a life estate) 2 1/2 measures of land in the Manor of Lower Grumet and 1/2 measure of land adjacent, called Willistoun (occupied by J.C. McClymouth) according to the old survey also to John Mcllvane his son and heir apparent, and to his male heirs whomsoever, 6 measures of land of Grumet, 6 1/2 measures of land of Lower Grumet, and Attiquin, with their mansions, houses, fisheries and woods in the County of Carrik, called Air, excepting reserving to the said Patrick the free use thereof and may redeem these lands from the said John by paying five pounds at the parish church of Maybole on 40 days warning. Held of Henry I, Lord and Seneschal of Scotland and Earl of Carrick. II

In the Register of Sasines for 1601, Patrick's wife is referred to as 'Isobel Kennedy, Lady Grymett'. This has given rise to all sorts of speculation. Torrence and Allied Families declares that 'Sir Patrick was knighted for bravery on the field of battle'. What battle is not told. It seems much more likely that Isobell brought the title of 'Lady' with her. One source says she was the widow of Kennedy of Knockdon. Since the use of the title after the name denotes a widow, it seems fairly plain that is all it means and had nothing to do with Patrick, no matter how brave he may have been.

These were particularly violent times in the history of Scotland. The Reformation was in full swing, and the religious upheaval is indicated by the following

On May 19, 1553, Hugh and David Kennedy came with 100 followers with jacks, spears, and guns to the Parish Kirk of Kirkoswald and the College Kirk of Maybole, and abused the sacrament of OHaly Kirk', (The elements of the Mass and other sacred items. ) The Earl of Carrick was quick to respond, and a number of persons had to give caution (bond) afterwards to the extent of 3,000 Pounds for their future good Behavior.

At about the same time, one of the Kennedys living at Dunure tried to seize the lands of Crossaugel Abbey. He tried to persuade the person responsible for the deeds to turn them over by slowly roasting him over a fire. He survived the roasting, but did not turn over the deeds.

The Lairds of Grimmet were involved in a particularly bitter feud between the Kennedy Earls of Cassilis
and their cousins, the Kennedy House of Bargany, which reached its most intense fury between 1569 and 1602. It climaxed with the kidnapping of the Countess of Cassilis as she returned to Ayr from a visit in Galloway. She was escorted as she travelled by various members of the family and friends, among whom was John. 'the young Laird of Grimet' .

Pitcairns History of the Kennedys is quoted The Laird of Dramurchie (Thomas Kennedy, brother of the Laird of Bargany) besieged the House of Auchinsull and took prisoners the Countess of Cassilis and the young Laird of Grimak and Quentin Crawford. A fatal encounter took place between the Earl of Cassilis and the Laird of Bargany (Gilbert Kennedy) in which Gilbert Kennedy's 'Horse was slain and the Earl's bridle was shot in two, whereby his horse cast him and struck his arm out of joint. The young Laird of Grimak [sic] was stricken through the chin and he and his horse both strucken to the earth. This wound was almost certainly not fatal, as is sometime reported, for John appears in several records after this date.

In 1602, the Register of the Privy Council shows an order by the king for Lady Bargeny to put at liberty Hew, Master of Cassilis, McIlvane youngerof Grumet and others 'lately apprehended by Thomas Kennedy of Drummurchie and his accomplices'. According to Robertson, Thomas Kennedy had taken the prisoners to the family castle and turned them over to the care of his mother, Lady Bargany. Hew Kennedy had been wounded, as well as John McIlvain, and she supplied the nursing.

Later in 1602 the king issued a Decreet of Absolvitor concerning a retaliation by the Earl. 'By the Privy Council in favor of John, Earl of Cassilis and others for 'convocation of his highness O lieges, and bearing and wearing of jacks, steel bonnets, corslets and lances, hackbutts and pistols, breaking of his highness' peace'.' It goes on to say 'That where, upon the elleventh day of December instant, Johnne, Earl of Cassilis, John Corrie of Kelwood, Hew Kennedy of Penqhuirry, John Davidsoun of Penny glen, Oliver Laird of Culleinzie, Patrick Mcilveane, elder of Gremmat, Johne Mcilveane, younger of Gremmat ... Alexander Schaw, tutour of Gremmat to be warned by the laws of this realm and Acts of Parliament come in hostile and warlike manner furth the town of Mayboll, and lay at wait for Gilbert Kennedy of Bargany, his freinds and servants, as they were coming the highway from the burgh of Air towards the said Lard Os own dwelling house, and invaded and persued them of their lives'. There follows a description of the battle, saying that a number of firearms were discharged and a number of Bragany's company were 'hurt and wounded'. And more to the point, Gilbert of Bargany was slain. Again the tone of the complaint was not so much the doing in of Bargany, but it has a rather plaintive ring as it goes on 'they have .broken his highness O peace in that countrey; whereby many inconveniences are like to fall out, to the trouble and disquieting of the whole country, without remedy being provided. ' The Earl of Cassilis and everyone concerned with the fracas were slapped on the wrist and told that, since they admitted to disorderly conduct and promised to keep 'his highness O peace and keeping of good rule and quietnes in the country hereafter, under the pain of rebellion ', no further action would be taken.

Also in 1602, the Privy Council issued bonds which guaranteed that Patrick Mcilvaine of Grumet and his son, John the Younger of Grumet, would not 'intercommune' with Adam Boyd of Pinkhill during his rebellion.

In 1604 bonds were again issued against Patrick and John not to harm James, Earl of Moray, his tutors or curators.

In 1604 there was a summons of treason against Thomas Kennedy of Drummurchie and Walter Mure of Cloncarde for murderous attacks on the Earl of Cassillis who, with John McllVane younger and others, was taken prisoner and incarcerated for 15 days.

Other records of Patrick McIlvane include signing as a witness in a deed, January 4, 1586, an he was a witness to a caution by John Kennedy, 1608.

Patrick died in November 1613. His testament dative (will) is recorded 15 June, 1615.