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John U-wa-ni Vann

Birthdate: (68)
Death: circa 1834 (60-76)
Immediate Family:

Son of John "Cherokee" Vann, Translator / Interpreter and Catherine Hop (Cherokee Woman) Vann
Husband of Mary Vann
Father of Rebecca Schrimsher; Isaac Vann; Edith Schrimsher; Nancy Childress; Mary Vann and 2 others
Brother of O-Ti-Yu Bowles; Rebecca Moore and Lucinda Moore
Half brother of George Vann; John Boy Vann; Nancy Vann; John Isaac Vann and Keziah Maney

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About John U-wa-ni Vann

Notes for JOHN U-WA-NI VANN IV:

John Oowanna Vann Posted by: jerry l. clark Date: January 16, 2002 reposted at http://www.timcdfw.com/genealogy/getperson.php?personID=I6730&tree=ChildressMain

1) John Oowanna Vann

In March, 1830, "a half-breed woman named Vann about 60 years old" fell from the steamboat "Reindeer" near the junction of the White and Arkansas Rivers and drowned (cited by Grant Foreman, INDIAN REMOVAL, p. 231 from the Arkansas Gazette of 4/27/1830). 76 years later, a descendant named Lemuel Parris recounted this same story about his great-grand grandmother, Mrs. John Oowanna Vann, in his application (#3636) to the Eastern Cherokee Roll (also called Guion Miller Roll). Lemuel Parris and several other applicants were descendants of a Cherokee named John Oowanna Vann (born ca. 1765) and his wife Mary (ca.1770-1830), who resided in the Sweetwater Valley, TN. In July, 1817 their son Isaac Vann registered a "reservation" or 640-acre tract of land there as part of a treaty between the U.S. and Cherokees in that year. Isaac married a white woman named Louvenia Schrimsher in 1818, whose brothers Jonathan Schrimsher and William Schrimsher married Isaac Vann's sisters Edith and Rebecca Vann. The parents of Louenia, Jonathan, and William were John Schrimsher (87 years old in 1837) and wife Mary ( 78 years old) [Records of the Bureau of Indian Affairs, RG 75, Entry 229, Reservation Claim Papers, 1837-1839, claim # 13, Isaac Vann]. The other children of John Oowanna Vann and Mary were Mary Vann (m. William Burgess, mixed-blood Cherokee), Lucinda Vann (m. Lemuel Childress, a white man), Edward Vann (m. Mary Watts, Cherokee), Catherine Vann (m. a Creek Indian, perhaps named McIntosh), and Nellie Vann (m. a man named McIntosh and John Monroe Brady) (based on a number of Eastern Cherokee applications and the 1851 Old Settlers Roll).

After the Treaty of 1828, a number of Cherokees and persons with Cherokee spouses, emigrated to Indian Territory (now Oklahoma), including John Oowanna Vann and several of his offspring and in-laws, including: John Vann, Sr., Isaac Vann, Elizabeth McIntosh (nee Vann), John McIntosh, John [Jonathan] Schrimsher, William Schrimsher, and William Burgess (RG 75, Entry 220, Emmigration Rolls, 1817-1838). Perhaps the unfortunate drowned Mrs. Vann in 1830 had gone out to Indian Territory earlier to scout out the land for her husband. These travellers and their descendants became known as "Old Settlers".

http://www.genealogy.com/ftm/h/i/c/James-R-Hicks-VA/BOOK-0001/0021-0037.html#CHILD164

JOHN U-WA-NI VANN IV (JOHN CHEROKEE, SISTER OF RAVEN, A-NU-WE-GI MOYTOY, MOYTOY, A-MA-DO-YA) was born Abt. 1766, and died Abt. 1834 in CNW.

He married MARY HUGHES, daughter of CHARLES HUGHES.She was born Abt. 1770, and died Abt. 1831 in on the Arkansas River.

Notes for JOHN U-WA-NI VANN IV:

Cherokee by Blood, Misc Testimony, P4387, Lucien B Bell, 3/9/1909;

"By an act of the Cherokee Council in about the year 1846 this family was excluded from the Cherokee Nation on the grounds that they were not Cherokees.They questioned the legitimacy of John Vann, the father of Nancy Childres. They claimed that the mother of John Vann was of negro blood, a slave, but they did not have proof of this fact. It was simply a rumor in the country. He looked like an Indian, as much so, as any one else. When John Vann came to the Indian Territory he was recognized by the Old Settlers as one of their number. He was furnished with the same equipment as the other Indians -- with a gun, blanket, shot pouch, etc. by the government. After the[y] were excluded they were treated as white people and were not enrolled in 1851.

"Catherine left and went to Missouri, and Nancy and her husband remained in the Cherokee Nation.In 1886 the children of Catherine Childres were re-admitted on the ground that they were Cherokee by blood."

Notes for MARY HUGHES:

Questionable entry: There is an 1842 claim; Canadian, bk 1, #72, for Rachel Vann nee Watts.In part she states ...My husband Isaac Vann...Ned Vann his brother... [these are children of John U-we-ni Vann] ...took me and my husbands uncle Mr Hughes"This would mean that "Mr Hughes"was a brother of Mrs John U-we-ni Vann.From several applications I do have John as having married a Cherokee woman named Mary.One of the applications states that this woman fell from a steamboat on the way west and drowned.Grant Foreman in his book, Indian Removal, states that Mrs Vann, about 60 years old, a half blood, fell from a steamboat and drowned.My assumption is that this Mary is the woman who drowned and a sister of "Mr Hughes".Agewise, this Mary would have been a contemporary of Bernard Hughes (1777~aft1857), son of Charles Hughes.Bernard was also in Alabama in the same time period as this Mary would have been.

    

Children are listed under (160) Mary Hughes. http://www.genealogy.com/ftm/h/i/c/James-R-Hicks-VA/BOOK-0001/0021-0036.html

MARY HUGHES (CHARLES, SISTER OF RAVEN, A-NU-WE-GI MOYTOY, MOYTOY, A-MA-DO-YA) was born Abt. 1770, and died Abt. 1831 in on the Arkansas River. She married JOHN U-WA-NI VANN IV, son of JOHN VANN and CHEROKEE WOMAN.He was born Abt. 1766, and died Abt. 1834 in CNW.

    

Children of MARY HUGHES and JOHN VANN are:

  • 518. i. EDITH7 VANN, b. Abt. 1788.
  • 519. ii. NANCY VANN, b. Abt. 1790.
  • 520. iii. ISAAC VANN, b. Abt. 1792; d. Aft. 1837.
  • 521. iv. MARY VANN, b. Abt. 1794; d. Abt. 1850.
  • 522. v. REBECCA VANN, b. Abt. 1800.
  • 523. vi. EDWARD VANN, b. Abt. 1802; d. Abt. 1851, California.
  • 524. vii. NELLIE VANN, b. Abt. 1805; d. Aft. 1851.


Cherokee by Blood, Misc Testimony, P4387, Lucien B Bell, 3/9/1909;

"By an act of the Cherokee Council in about the year 1846 this family was excluded from the Cherokee Nation on the grounds that they were not Cherokees. They questioned the legitimacy of John Vann, the father of Nancy Childres. They claimed that the mother of John Vann was of negro blood, a slave, but they did not have proof of this fact. It was simply a rumor in the country. He looked like an Indian, as much so, as any one else. When John Vann came to the Indian Territory he was recognized by the Old Settlers as one of their number. He was furnished with the same equipment as the other Indians -- with a gun, blanket, shot pouch, etc. by the government. After the[y] were excluded they were treated as white people and were not enrolled in 1851.

"Catherine left and went to Missouri, and Nancy and her husband remained in the Cherokee Nation. In 1886 the children of Catherine Childres were re-admitted on the ground that they were Cherokee by blood."

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John U-wa-ni Vann's Timeline

1766
1766
1790
1790
Age 24
TN, USA
1792
1792
Age 26
1798
1798
Age 32
Guntersville, Marshall County, Alabama, United States
1834
1834
Age 68
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