John “R.” Warren

Not the same as John Warren

John Warren of Rappahannock County.

• Parents unknown.
• Father seen as as William Warren.
• Parents seen as Thomas Warren & Susan Markham
• Married (probably) Rachel Williams. Rachel Sargent Is speculated as wife.

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Biography

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Warren-118

Multiple John Warrens

A John Warren of Surry County was not related to this John Warren of Rappahannock County.

This John Warren

John R. Warren[1]

Note: John "R." Warren is used as an identifier, because John signed documents using an "R" (p 11). Others who were closely associated with John also signed with an "R," which is sometimes assumed to denote "Royalist" (many escaped Cromwell's England after the official 1649 opening for settlement of the Rappahannock Valley). However, on the Samuel Bloomfield deed of 1678, John no longer used the "R," but signed with a unique symbol (pictured on page 13). John's wife Rachel also twice used an "R" as her signature, once backwards, and on her will she added a dot in the loop (p 35). She once used the unique symbol, and slanted it (p 31).[1]

Sometimes called "John Radcliff Warren," without evidence or citation. Note: Middle names were extremely unusual before about 1800 (except for royalty).

Uncertain Origin

John Warren was probably born in England. His birth date, birth place, and parents are not known. Birth date, 1635, is a guess based on his marriage c. 1655. Seems this date is used by genealogists to identify this John Warren from others of the same name.

This profile has been disconnected from Thomas Warren as father. We have no evidence that he was John's father.

DNA

John Warren has been placed in the Old Rappahannock Warren Dna haplogroup.[2] HAPLOGROUP R1b1a2a1a1b4 all kits relating to this John incl these markers.

Of course, as Stephen Ballard emphasizes, "The [DNA] information is useful only when combined with a well-researched family history."

Lack of a well-researched family history among the participants has emerged as a major stumbling block; "The cruel irony of genetic genealogy is that usually those being tested are those with the least amount of knowledge about their families."[3]

Immigration

Holland Warren suggests that among the immigrant candidates named John Warren, only one is a possibility. On 24 October 1650, Sir Thomas "Luntsford" patented 3, 423 acres on the south side of the Rappahannock, for the transportation of 65 persons; among them was a "Mr. Warren."[4] However, there is no proof that this was the identical John Warren.

John may have arrived in Virginia sometime before 21 June 1658, when he probably appointed his "loveing friend Mr. Rich. Browne" to represent him in an appeal to the Quarter Court. This was regarding some sort of civil suit against Stephen Tichnor, details of which have been lost to history (pp 8-9).[1] This may be our first record of John Warren in Virginia; however there is no proof that he was the identical John Warren.

Richard Browne "may have been" the identical Richard Browne who was transported to Virginia by Capt. Daniell Gookin on 4 November 1642 (p 9).[1] Among those transported was a Thomas Warren, who is assumed to have been the Thomas Warren of Surry County.[5][1] However the connection is minimally circumstantial, because in 1656, a Thomas Warren was found at Lancaster County, near the Gookin patent. This was more likely the man transported and not Thomas Warren of Surry County.[1] There is no evidence associating John "R" Warren with Thomas Warren of Surry County.

Disputed Marriage

John is assumed to have married to Rachel Williams, daughter of John Williams, of Occupatia Creek.[1]

The date (5 May 1679, or 1665) and place (St George, Spotsylvania) of their marriage are claimed in various user-contributed data bases, without evidence or citation.

Whatever date is used, a patent from 1 June 1663 to Mr. William Pierce (Perce) for 4,054 acres in Farnham Parish, Rappahannock County, in return for transporting 81 persons included: Rachel, Margaret, and Margery Williams, thought to have been the daughters of John Williams (p 14).[1] Of course, the date a patent was issued was often years after the actual voyage(s) of those transported.

We have circumstantial evidence that the Rachel who married John Warren was a daughter of John Williams. The Warren land bordered the Williams property. In addition, these gifts and deed are evidence of the close ties between the Williams and Warren families. On 2 December 1679, John Williams made a gift of a calf to Rebecca Warren, daughter of John Warren (p 15).[1] On 28 January 1689, Richard West (John Warren's partner) sold 300 acres on Occupatia Creek to John Williams (p 15).[1]

Others believe that Rachel was a daughter of William Sargent. In his will, written on 14 April 1683, William Sargent, of Rappahannock County, left 100 acres to John's son, William Warren (pp 21-22). However William would receive the land only on the condition that Sargent's own son, George, die before reaching the age of 21. George must have lived, because William Warren never received the property.[1] However, Holland Warren, in his follow-up book, Warrens and related families of North Carolina and Virginia Revisited, which focuses on John R. Warren, reached the conclusion that, "In fact there was no Rachel Sargent, she has been created in someone's imagination."[6]

Children

Children of John and Rachel Warren:[1]

1. Elizabeth Warren, ; m Edward Martin
2. Thomas Warrenb c. 1682; m Mary
3. William Warren, b c.1680, d 1726; m Elizabeth
4. Rebecca Warren, m Malachy Thruston
5. Rachel Warren
6. John Warren, Jr
7. probably Samuel Warren

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?Born in Occupacia Creek. Lived in Charles River York. 1st wife died about 1660. Died while visiting Westmorland Co. Virginia. Left no will.

14 Oct 1649: William Presley patented 1150 acres of land in Northumberland County VA on the Potomac River between Chingaham Cr. and Presley's Cr. for transporting 20 persons, namely: John February, Robert Gralle, William Blake, John Warren, John Butler, John Chappel, Thomas Spalding and others Land Office Richmond VA, Book 2, pg 186.

!28 Jan 1667: Cornelius Noell of Rappahaanock Co. for 150 lbs Tobacco sold to Richard West and John Warren all of his interest in a tract of land in Sittingbourne Parish, 1097 acres situated 4 miles from the river backwards, patented 25 Sep 1665, near Occupatin Creek sold 28 Jan 1667: Rappahanock Co. VA, Deed Book 2, p. 135. (Original grant: 1097 acres in lnad on the s. side of the Rappa. River in the freshes of the same, about 4 miles from the river on the main branch called Occupatin Creek over the Chickahominy path, due for transporting 22 persons, 25 Sep 1665, Rappahanock Co., VA, Land Grant Book 5, pg 469.)

!6 Mar 1668: John Warren of Rappa. Co. for 1200 pounds of tobacco;, pd. To R'd West my interest in a parcel of land bought by R'd West and ad. Warren. Rappahanock Co., VA, Deed Book 4, p. 482.

9 May 1683: John Warren owed the estate of Wm Sargent, shown by the inventory of the estate. Rappahannock Co., VA, Will Book 6.

!25 Nov 1691: John Warren died in 11-25-1691 and his body was found in Westmoreland Co. The Westmoreland coroner made a report to the county court on the investigation into the death. John probably was buried in the cemetery at St. Annes Parish Church which was located where Occupacion Creek flows into the Rappahannock River. Warren & related families of VA & NC Revisited, by Dr. Holland, P. 2 and 99.

!18 Nov 1717: Deed from William Warren of St. Annes Parish to Samuel Ellett, of same parish, conveys two tracts of 50 acre each being the same land conveyed to John Warren and Rachel Warren, dec'd by two deeds dated 9-20-1698. Spotsylvania County VA, Deed Bk #15, p112.

Occupation: employee of Thomas Hawkins, a merchant, mariner, land speculator, militia officer, Burgess and court justice of Old Rappahannock Co

Died while visiting in Westmoreland Co, Va. Was an employee of Thomas Hawkins and John's family lived on Hawkins plantation near Occupacia Creek, Old Rappahanncok, Virginia Probably born in York co. Va. and as a young boy lived on the south side of the York River on land leased by his parents from Martin Becker of Pyimouth, England. Johns father had arrived in Va as an adventurer , as early as 1625, landing in Elizabeth city and occupying land in that area. Wm had brought from England a son, Nathaniel Warren, whose mother was deceased in the mother country.

Sworn into the Colonial Army August 05, 1729 Virginia County Records Spotsylvania County 1721-1800 Wills-Will Book B1 74 9-1759 page 10

Warren, Thomas, Planter, Spotsylvanis Co., written April 13, 1749, Probated December 04, 1750. Wit Robert Huddlestone, Abram Rogers, Barbara Rogers. Ex. wife, Mary and son, Hackley Warren. Leg. son, Hackley Warren, 95 acres of land which I formerly gave to my daughter Rachel Hasken. Daughter, Elizabeth Brook; daughter Mary Buford; daughter, Roxanna More; son, Lancelot Warren. To my wife, Mary Warren, all the rest of my estate during her life. Page 56